Should we take things more seriously?

[Purpletang92]

It's not really an argument. Do you ever wonder why other regions such as Indonesia aren't suffering under this warming phenomenon? It's pretty simple..... They don't S H I T where they eat. I'd blame the cruise ships before climate but then who would pay for the mansion on Martha's Vinyard?

Yes pollution does have a major impact on the ocean, who knows what we have already lost due to it.

 

[Purpletang92]

We dove Alligator Reef last year and was heartbroke compared to what it was just a few years ago. There were still lots of fish and nurse sharks, but everything else was mostly gone.

I think it’s pretty evident that we are loosing corals around the world but that is horrible.

 

[TBSB2019]

Just look at the red tides and the causes here on the west coast. Really surprised we had one this year YET.

 

[Purpletang92]

Just look at the red tides and the causes here on the west coast. Really surprised we had one this year YET.

Does red tide effect fish more than coral?

 

[BeanAnimal]

? Or are we trying to help the environment?

Most of those who believe keeping an aquarium is “helping the environment” are not being rational or honest with themselves.

If the “ban” you speak of comes, then you will need to find a new hobby.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Yes things are being aqua cultured but let’s be real are they affordable for most?

Shall they be sold for a loss to make it fair for everyone?

 

[GatorGreg]

If you ask me…….

Our worthless government has way bigger things they should be worried about than boxes of saltwater.

I doubt our hobby will ever be banned. Yes there will probably come a time when mariculture is banned. But there’s tons of stuff being aquacultured. I just cant see how they’d band aquaculture specimens

 

[Purpletang92]

Most of those who believe keeping an aquarium is “helping the environment” are not being rational or honest with themselves.

If the “ban” you speak of comes, then you will need to find a new hobby.

I don’t totally agree, if your long term goal is sexual reproduction of corals then I do believe you are helping long term and not taking from the reefs.

 

[BeanAnimal]

Banning coral won’t do much for wild coral. In fact it would decrease the value of coral and thus be less likely to be protected. I wish the hobby and conservation groups could work together to perhaps return coral to natural environments but unfortunately with humans inability to combat pollution and climate change I don’t see too much point in that.

The coral that we keep and the live reefs we have, as well as the fossil record of “ancient” reefs are all very new on the geological timeline. They will go away one way or the other and be replaced by something else, also in a relatively short geological timeframe…. Regardless of positive or negative human impact. The reefs that we know and understand are only 200 million or so years old. The coral prior to that does not resemble what we have now, but only dates back 480 million years. Prior to that there were no “coral” but there were sponges…

 

[Purpletang92]

Shall they be sold for a loss to make it fair for everyone?

So do you agree with the high price of aquaculture fish ? Not a loss but “affordable”

 

[BeanAnimal]

I don’t totally agree, if your long term goal is sexual reproduction of corals then I do believe you are helping long term and not taking from the reefs.

But you are using electricity, mined or refined salt, glass, plastics, silicones, and countless other resources for your enjoyment. So, no you are not “helping the environment”.

 

[BeanAnimal]

So do you agree with the high price of aquaculture fish ? Not a loss but “affordable”

Their profit margin is not my business. If their price is too low, they lose money and go out of business. If it is too high they lose sales to competition and go out of business. I choose to buy what I find value in, be it “cheap” or “expensive”. Everyone has a different value perception and budget. Some people can’t afford to participate in some things.

 

[Purpletang92]

But you are using electricity, mined salt, glass, plastics, silicone, and countless other resources for your enjoyment. So, no you are not “helping the environment”.

Most of those are renewable and in no form comparable to a living creature, the environment I talk about are the coral reefs of the world.

 

[Slocke]

The coral that we keep and the live reefs we have, as well as the fossil record of “ancient” reefs are all very new on the geological timeline. They will go away one way or the other and be replaced by something else, also in a relatively short geological timeframe…. Regardless of positive or negative human impact. The reefs that we know and understand are only 200 million or so years old. The coral prior to that does not resemble what we have now, but only dates back 480 million years. Prior to that there were no “coral” but there were sponges…

What’s your point?
Coral reefs are relied upon by a quarter of the world’s marine life. And how many societies rely on that marine life to survive? Or do you not care about people because people as we know them only showed up a few 100,000 years ago?

 

[RV Reefs]

What’s your point?
Coral reefs are relied upon by a quarter of the world’s marine life. And how many societies rely on that marine life to survive? Or do you not care about people because people as we know them only showed up a few 100,000 years ago?

Agreed. The argument that everything changes/passes with time is a poor excuse for not taking action in my opinion. We need to focus on how the aquarium fish trade is relied upon for jobs by people in the Philippines and other islands in the pacific, let alone the people who fish for food. Just because everything comes and goes doesn’t mean that we can stand by and watch.

 

[Reefer Matt]

Unfortunately, banding together for an environmental cause isn’t typically what Reefers do. Even when bills get proposed in Congress to shut down transporting animals, not many voice their opposition. For many, reefing is a hobby of excess, and they don’t care about where the animals come from. Some see it as an ant farm, some as a trophy case. I see reefing as an ecosystem that I wish I could visit in the wild everyday. This is as close as I can get. There are many things we can all do to help out, but step one is to get people to care.

 

[Purpletang92]

Less corals means less fish which then means the way of life for some societies will disappear.

 

[BristleWormHater]

Yes things are being aqua cultured but let’s be real are they affordable for most?

Yes

 

[Purpletang92]

Unfortunately, banding together for an environmental cause isn’t typically what Reefers do. Even when bills get proposed in Congress to shut down transporting animals, not many voice their opposition. For many, reefing is a hobby of excess, and they don’t care about where the animals come from. Some see it as an ant farm, some as a trophy case. I see reefing as an ecosystem that I wish I could visit in the wild everyday. This is as close as I can get. There are many things we can all do to help out, but step one is to get people to care.

I think the attitude of “ I’ll just go buy another one” is what’s hurting us. Many of us don’t keep corals long enough for them to even reproduce sexually or take into consideration the fish we get and just how big they will eventually get.

 

[Tamberav]

I do this for enjoyment and I could not care less about high dollar coral vs low dollar or if you have vortechs or jeabo. If it looks nice to me, then I buy it. I like colt coral, so fluffy and put it right in the tank with the gold torch cuz it’s so wavy.

I support aquaculture where I can which I guess is caring about the environment in a way.