Red Sea Tank Fails, AGAIN! Any Recommendations?

BeanAnimal · Apr 26, 2023

killer2001 said:
There in lies the problem. Perhaps Red Sea's method of applying the front panel / materials involved are not suitable for the overhang design. I'd bet a large sum of money if you purchased one of their tanks new with this design flaw but put it on a proper stand with all panes supported, in 3 years time it would be just fine.

I have no idea what the underside of one of these looks like. Are we saying that the tank is 18" from front to back and the stand is 17" (example) and otherwise it is regularly framed floating bottom? Or are the sides and back on top of the bottom and the front floating?

BeanAnimal · Apr 26, 2023

In fact - don't answer. Don't have a RS tank and will never have one, so don't care

killer2001 · Apr 26, 2023

Picture from Google Images, but as you can see, the silicone AND front glass panel hang past the stand's support.

BeanAnimal · Apr 26, 2023

The design choice is challenging, as the sides, back and bottom carry the weight of the tank. Any flex in the bottom (torsional or sagging) will want to peel (press) the bottom from the front, as the front is not resting on it perimeter.

I wouldn't own one of these if you paid me.

fpizart · Apr 26, 2023

paulgriffin971 said:
Consider this: RS's main selling point is that everything they sell will all integrate into THEIR tank systems.

It's like everything was going fine for a while, and then within a span of so many months, a substantial amount of their tanks start blowing out. Does the company send out old tanks just to shut up customers with warranty claims and have the problems just repeat, or does it send out the Version 2 of their tanks to customers that have warranty claims? What about all of the customers that have found out that they're not the only ones with the EXACT same issues? (Thanks R2R) I can understand where RS might be in a real delima right now...

I am not here to talk bad about them behind their back. I am in contact with them and with my lawyers as we speak. But as you all have seen, I have two tanks blown out and both occurred during a warranty period where a new version of a tank with a known design flaw was substantially re-designed, reinforced, and the cabinets converted to aluminum vs. the painted particle board. I've already dealt with faulty sump sealant, as well as other shoddy materials on the tanks not even two months ago. Yessa--I'm upset.

If we're were talking about a car, and we pretty much are in terms of dollars invested, the company would have already issued recalls. \Why is it all of us dealing one way with our warranty claims when the company KNOWS theirs is and has been an issue? Seems an approriate approach would be to tap that company insurance and warranty backing to keep doing business while the "old" customers are taken care of and our tanks are replaced with something that equates to the price we originally paid.

Well said! The right thing to do would be to issue a quality program or recall to all affected models. And trust me… they know what models are having issues out there!

Cheezle · Apr 26, 2023

How do you know if the tank you got is an old model or not? I recently bought the red sea max nano peninsula and stand from my LFS and this thread has me petrified to transfer everything lol

fpizart · Apr 26, 2023

Ok guys, thank you SO MUCH for your support and recommendations! It has been a very difficult decision, but I finally purchased my next aquarium. I gathered all of your advices and talked to many local experts and fellow reefers that I have known for years. Yes, I have to live with the SHAME of going for a weak design after all the years I’ve maintained salt water aquariums. It is evident that the quality of these tanks is not the best. I have moved on from anything RS that is designed to actually HOLD water. I have purchased a larger WB (200+) and let me tell you something… ALL WB tanks have seams that are TWICE as thick when compared to similar models from RS. Now, I do notice a big difference in their G2 models. Only time will tell! This will be my backup system

As per RS, I reached out to them with legal representation. After receiving the pictures, they immediately offered to send me a brand new 525 G2+. Do I think RS knew about the issues with the G1 tanks? ABSOLUTELY! Even knowing that, they offered a major sale for those models not too long ago. I will give them the fact that they are offering to replace the tank, but replacing a product that caused damage once with something you knew could do the same thing again is not ethical or honorable. It is unfortunate that this solution was not available back when the first one leaked. The same can be said about all the other customers that have a water bomb waiting to explode in their homes. As reefers, we are not here to “out” or talk bad about a company! We are here to discuss issues and achieve solutions as a community! Because that’s what we have always been in this hobby. Thank you so much guys!

RS, I know “you” or your minions are reading this posts. Thank you for recognizing your flaws and standing by your product. Actions speak louder than words and you have taken action to mitigate this issue. I believe EVERYONE here will respect that. However, WE as a community urge you to do an internal investigation (and I’m sure you already have) and look into all those other customers that have invested money and time in your products. When a reef tank fails, it is not just the damage to physical goods that affects us reefers, it is the pain we feel when we see our hard work disappear/die in front of our eyes (if we are able to witness and try to process what’s happening). I went to bed proud of the progress my ecosystem had made with the help of all of your other products, such as the ReefMat, and woke up on the floor with .5 inches of water under me after I fell jumping out of bed to try to save as many animals as I could. Over a year of hard work and dedication GONE in less than 1 minute. Some of this animals have been with me for years! They are now barely surviving in the sump. Please offer a quality program to your customers who bought the affected models and stop this madness. Again, I don’t think anybody wants to blame or point fingers. Mistakes do happen and issues with products are not unusual. But you have to do something about this. Maybe offer a more affordable way to upgrade to the G2 models for those customers who may be affected.

fpizart · Apr 26, 2023

Cheezle said:
How do you know if the tank you got is an old model or not? I recently bought the red sea max nano peninsula and stand from my LFS and this thread has me petrified to transfer everything lol

The G2 models have super thick seams reinforced with a plastic piece. The pipes are also red. Alternatively, check the serial number in their website.

MnFish1 · Apr 27, 2023

fpizart said:
Ok guys, thank you SO MUCH for your support and recommendations! It has been a very difficult decision, but I finally purchased my next aquarium. I gathered all of your advices and talked to many local experts and fellow reefers that I have known for years. Yes, I have to live with the SHAME of going for a weak design after all the years I’ve maintained salt water aquariums. It is evident that the quality of these tanks is not the best. I have moved on from anything RS that is designed to actually HOLD water. I have purchased a larger WB (200+) and let me tell you something… ALL WB tanks have seams that are TWICE as thick when compared to similar models from RS. Now, I do notice a big difference in their G2 models. Only time will tell! This will be my backup system

As per RS, I reached out to them with legal representation. After receiving the pictures, they immediately offered to send me a brand new 525 G2+. Do I think RS knew about the issues with the G1 tanks? ABSOLUTELY! Even knowing that, they offered a major sale for those models not too long ago. I will give them the fact that they are offering to replace the tank, but replacing a product that caused damage once with something you knew could do the same thing again is not ethical or honorable. It is unfortunate that this solution was not available back when the first one leaked. The same can be said about all the other customers that have a water bomb waiting to explode in their homes. As reefers, we are not here to “out” or talk bad about a company! We are here to discuss issues and achieve solutions as a community! Because that’s what we have always been in this hobby. Thank you so much guys!

RS, I know “you” or your minions are reading this posts. Thank you for recognizing your flaws and standing by your product. Actions speak louder than words and you have taken action to mitigate this issue. I believe EVERYONE here will respect that. However, WE as a community urge you to do an internal investigation (and I’m sure you already have) and look into all those other customers that have invested money and time in your products. When a reef tank fails, it is not just the damage to physical goods that affects us reefers, it is the pain we feel when we see our hard work disappear/die in front of our eyes (if we are able to witness and try to process what’s happening). I went to bed proud of the progress my ecosystem had made with the help of all of your other products, such as the ReefMat, and woke up on the floor with .5 inches of water under me after I fell jumping out of bed to try to save as many animals as I could. Over a year of hard work and dedication GONE in less than 1 minute. Some of this animals have been with me for years! They are now barely surviving in the sump. Please offer a quality program to your customers who bought the affected models and stop this madness. Again, I don’t think anybody wants to blame or point fingers. Mistakes do happen and issues with products are not unusual. But you have to do something about this. Maybe offer a more affordable way to upgrade to the G2 models for those customers who may be affected.

I think this is the most difficult issue when it comes to owning an aquarium. When I was little - a long time ago - I wanted the goldfish to move. I tapped, I tapped more.. Then I took my fist and hit the glass of a 5 gallon tank. It resulted in a spiderweb of cracked glass - but only a drop of water. Of course - being 6 years old - I picked at a small piece of glass - which resulted in a total mess. I picked the fish up off the floor - put them in the 1/2 inch of water - and went upstairs and said "mommy do you love me" - the response was "what did you do?". But - the point being - 5 gallons of water minimal - spreads out quite far.

Snoopdog · Apr 27, 2023

paulgriffin971 said:
I am dealing with this exact same issue right now--on 2 Red Sea Reefer tanks at the exact same time. And NONE of this is fraudulent--I've documented, have videos, and pictured stuff until my phone was battery dead at least 5 times now just to prove EXACTLY what's happened and when.

One tank is a RS 250 that I purchased just under 3 years ago. The other is a RS 625 XXL that I bought in September of 2020. The tanks aren't the only issue. It's also the REEFLED's that loose wifi and go off on some random schedule, as well that the power bricks that overheat to the point you can't even touch them, but I digress.

For being sold in so many stores, you would THINK Red Sea would be more apt to quality control, design, and testing before flooding the market with aquariums that SHOULD last 5-10-20 years. My Oceanic 90 gallon lasted 2 moves and 12 years, so something is up with these RS tanks.

I'm at the point of starting a class action so if anyone wants to join me let me know. My YT links are at the bottom of this post, but for those who want read about this journey, here's a little history on what has happened to me up until today:

1. Purchased a RS-170 max in 2018. Absolutely flawless tank. Never had an issue. Came as a kit with a AI Hydra 26 and mounting arm. When I say never had an issue, I mean NEVER. I simply out grew the tank, so went with the slightly larger 65 gallon RS-250 that had a sump.

2. A few months after I bought the 250, I pulled the trigger on a RS-625XXL that was on sale locally. It was supposedly the upgraded version that came with this new design of a metal brace to support the front of the cabinet between the two left-handed-most doors. I went with RS because of the success I had with the little 170, and--until that point--the 250. I was also impressed with the 3 year warranty.

3. In 2022 I started smelling a strange plastic smell in my living room where the 625 is located and couldn't trace it. Finally, I opened the door to equipment side and the ReefLed 90's power bricks were scalding hot to the point I could hardly touch them. I contacted RS and let them know, and they sent me new power bricks. New one's still got hot,but not quite as hot, so I figured problem solved.

4. From 2022 to 2023 I dealt with constant wifi connectivity issues with the ReefLed's. They would come un-grouped and totally forget what schedule I had programmed. I'd un-install, re-install, and then re-program--over, and over, and over again. Finally I found a couple used Kessil AP700's, installed those, and put the RS 90's aside. Haven't had a lighting issue since.

3. Earlier this year-- 2023, the silicone sections that held the sump dividers on the RS625 came away from the sides and caused my skimmer to overflow and my ATO float to go bonkers. I contacted RS, and they sent me a replacement sump. I asked about getting an upgraded sump (based on their new design and materials) so that I could buy their new ReefMat 1200 and not have to cut the silicone, but they said the newer sumps weren't capatible, and that they stopped making the 625XXL. About a week later, I got the replacement sump, had to take all my equipment apart, and then re-install the new one. But I was able to install a new ReefMat 1200 while the repalcement sump was out. Happy with he replacement and the RM1200, and went on with life. So far, so good---so I thought....

4. On April 21, 2023 at 7pm PDT, this past Friday, I was sitting in my recliner eating a sandwich and heard what I thought was a mountain stream on the TV show I was watching. But--I was watching Bing Bang Theory; No streams there.... It sounding like something was leaking but I didn't see anything with the 625 that was directly across from me in my chair, so I hit the TV mute button. Then I realized it was coming frrom behind me in my dining room were the Reefer 250 was. I got up, turned around and the bottom front glass was spraying water like one of those little bird-bath-peeing-boy-angels. I mean----like a steady stream. Grabbed a bucket and scrambled around for the next 5-6 hours with buckets, mop, rubbermaid tub, and towels. Made sure to grab my phone too--for documenting the damage, the equipment failure, and the pain and suffering I had to deal with. Both for future litigation and for a potential homeowners claim.

5. At about 10:30 PM I finally had all the salt water mopped up, the tank, cabinet, and equipment all moved outside, the live rock placed into a rubbermaid, and started to really evaluate the damage. During the process of dealing with he 250, I thought, "OH crap, if this is happening on my 250 tank, what about my big 625 with my close to $20,000 worth of corals and fish??!!!

6. Low and behold, I looked at my 625 and sure enough the bottom silicone was separating in the EXACT same area as everyone else's is having the issue, and in the EXACT SAME place where the 250 silicone failed on mine. It wasn't quite leaking yet, but you could see the silicone had about 10% to go before it below the front glass pane out and I would have close to 150 gallons of saltwater and bacteria on my hardwood flooring. I was LIVID! But--I had the PROOF and I had it all on VIDEO and ALL documented since this journey to Red Sea hell commenced.

7. I went the the place where I had purchased the tanks and was told only Red Sea can deal with your issues. OK, that's cool the LFS didn't do anything wrong. So, I contacted Red Sea and asked them what they intended to do. I informed them that I wanted one of their reps to come to my home and see the tanks for themselves and to negotiate a settlement on how they were going to make me whole. If I was in business this is EXACTLY what I would do--spend $2000 on airline ticket to come to a customers home or business and see EXACTLY what has happened to TWO of the tanks my company manufactured. Or better yet, make a few stops around the country where SEVERAL of my company's tanks were failing to get to the bottom of what's going on.

8. On Monday April 24 I got a response from RS to the effect of, "We're sorry, we can't find your proof of purchase. Please send it to us. (I should emphasize here that even though you have to upload your proof of purchase, serial number, address, and email in order to get the 12 month extended warranty for a total of 3 years, they wanted me to send it to them AGAIN to prove that I in fact bought the tank) "Also, please start a separate claim on the 625 and if it's going to fail, drain it." I'm like--drain it? And put it where? And what about my $20K worth of corals, fish and equipment? Do I just go buy another tank and then you all send me a replacement in 2-3 weeks that is based on the EXACT same design and material flaws as those that failed with the tanks I have now? The same tanks that aren't even 3 years old that are blowing out? Have got to be kidding me....

And this is where I sit today. One tank blew out and one on the way to blowing out.

Like I said, as far as I'm concerned a class-action is coming because this company KNOWS of the material issues with their tanks and they KEEP sending out tanks based on the EXACT SAME design flaw that is readily known by both them and the public. As a matter of fact, RS had to upgrade the cabinets on the 600 and 700 series tanks with that little cabinet brace, had several tank failures across their larger tank lines, and then came out with Reefer G2's and the far superior tank bracing--even some with METAL cabinets and euro bracing. But guess what? They completely discontinued the 625 and 700 series tanks all together. Coincidence? And why is it that their tanks all seem to fail right around that 2.5 to 3 year mark of the warranty period? Yet another coincidence?

I'm sorry and I know I blew your thread up, but I am beyond ticked. Like I said a class action is coming, so if any of you would be interested in pursuing one with me, let me know. I'm in CA where we have some pretty stringent consumer laws pertaining to companies that sell faulty and similarly dangerous equipment. Could a person be maimed or killed by a 165- gallon glass aquarium made with faulty materials, means, and methods blowing out while said person tried to perform the simple task of looking at their fish and coral. I would venture to say yes......

Anyway, you all can follow along on my journey with these tanks on my youtube channel here:

Nice post. My 250 blew a gasket weeks ago. I had the same problem with the Red Sea lights, wifi blows chunks on those things. Never, even again will Red Sea get money from me.

330Bob · Apr 27, 2023

paulgriffin971 said:
I am dealing with this exact same issue right now--on 2 Red Sea Reefer tanks at the exact same time. And NONE of this is fraudulent--I've documented, have videos, and pictured stuff until my phone was battery dead at least 5 times now just to prove EXACTLY what's happened and when.

One tank is a RS 250 that I purchased just under 3 years ago. The other is a RS 625 XXL that I bought in September of 2020. The tanks aren't the only issue. It's also the REEFLED's that loose wifi and go off on some random schedule, as well that the power bricks that overheat to the point you can't even touch them, but I digress.

For being sold in so many stores, you would THINK Red Sea would be more apt to quality control, design, and testing before flooding the market with aquariums that SHOULD last 5-10-20 years. My Oceanic 90 gallon lasted 2 moves and 12 years, so something is up with these RS tanks.

I'm at the point of starting a class action so if anyone wants to join me let me know. My YT links are at the bottom of this post, but for those who want read about this journey, here's a little history on what has happened to me up until today:

1. Purchased a RS-170 max in 2018. Absolutely flawless tank. Never had an issue. Came as a kit with a AI Hydra 26 and mounting arm. When I say never had an issue, I mean NEVER. I simply out grew the tank, so went with the slightly larger 65 gallon RS-250 that had a sump.

2. A few months after I bought the 250, I pulled the trigger on a RS-625XXL that was on sale locally. It was supposedly the upgraded version that came with this new design of a metal brace to support the front of the cabinet between the two left-handed-most doors. I went with RS because of the success I had with the little 170, and--until that point--the 250. I was also impressed with the 3 year warranty.

3. In 2022 I started smelling a strange plastic smell in my living room where the 625 is located and couldn't trace it. Finally, I opened the door to equipment side and the ReefLed 90's power bricks were scalding hot to the point I could hardly touch them. I contacted RS and let them know, and they sent me new power bricks. New one's still got hot,but not quite as hot, so I figured problem solved.

4. From 2022 to 2023 I dealt with constant wifi connectivity issues with the ReefLed's. They would come un-grouped and totally forget what schedule I had programmed. I'd un-install, re-install, and then re-program--over, and over, and over again. Finally I found a couple used Kessil AP700's, installed those, and put the RS 90's aside. Haven't had a lighting issue since.

3. Earlier this year-- 2023, the silicone sections that held the sump dividers on the RS625 came away from the sides and caused my skimmer to overflow and my ATO float to go bonkers. I contacted RS, and they sent me a replacement sump. I asked about getting an upgraded sump (based on their new design and materials) so that I could buy their new ReefMat 1200 and not have to cut the silicone, but they said the newer sumps weren't capatible, and that they stopped making the 625XXL. About a week later, I got the replacement sump, had to take all my equipment apart, and then re-install the new one. But I was able to install a new ReefMat 1200 while the repalcement sump was out. Happy with he replacement and the RM1200, and went on with life. So far, so good---so I thought....

4. On April 21, 2023 at 7pm PDT, this past Friday, I was sitting in my recliner eating a sandwich and heard what I thought was a mountain stream on the TV show I was watching. But--I was watching Bing Bang Theory; No streams there.... It sounding like something was leaking but I didn't see anything with the 625 that was directly across from me in my chair, so I hit the TV mute button. Then I realized it was coming frrom behind me in my dining room were the Reefer 250 was. I got up, turned around and the bottom front glass was spraying water like one of those little bird-bath-peeing-boy-angels. I mean----like a steady stream. Grabbed a bucket and scrambled around for the next 5-6 hours with buckets, mop, rubbermaid tub, and towels. Made sure to grab my phone too--for documenting the damage, the equipment failure, and the pain and suffering I had to deal with. Both for future litigation and for a potential homeowners claim.

5. At about 10:30 PM I finally had all the salt water mopped up, the tank, cabinet, and equipment all moved outside, the live rock placed into a rubbermaid, and started to really evaluate the damage. During the process of dealing with he 250, I thought, "OH crap, if this is happening on my 250 tank, what about my big 625 with my close to $20,000 worth of corals and fish??!!!

6. Low and behold, I looked at my 625 and sure enough the bottom silicone was separating in the EXACT same area as everyone else's is having the issue, and in the EXACT SAME place where the 250 silicone failed on mine. It wasn't quite leaking yet, but you could see the silicone had about 10% to go before it below the front glass pane out and I would have close to 150 gallons of saltwater and bacteria on my hardwood flooring. I was LIVID! But--I had the PROOF and I had it all on VIDEO and ALL documented since this journey to Red Sea hell commenced.

7. I went the the place where I had purchased the tanks and was told only Red Sea can deal with your issues. OK, that's cool the LFS didn't do anything wrong. So, I contacted Red Sea and asked them what they intended to do. I informed them that I wanted one of their reps to come to my home and see the tanks for themselves and to negotiate a settlement on how they were going to make me whole. If I was in business this is EXACTLY what I would do--spend $2000 on airline ticket to come to a customers home or business and see EXACTLY what has happened to TWO of the tanks my company manufactured. Or better yet, make a few stops around the country where SEVERAL of my company's tanks were failing to get to the bottom of what's going on.

8. On Monday April 24 I got a response from RS to the effect of, "We're sorry, we can't find your proof of purchase. Please send it to us. (I should emphasize here that even though you have to upload your proof of purchase, serial number, address, and email in order to get the 12 month extended warranty for a total of 3 years, they wanted me to send it to them AGAIN to prove that I in fact bought the tank) "Also, please start a separate claim on the 625 and if it's going to fail, drain it." I'm like--drain it? And put it where? And what about my $20K worth of corals, fish and equipment? Do I just go buy another tank and then you all send me a replacement in 2-3 weeks that is based on the EXACT same design and material flaws as those that failed with the tanks I have now? The same tanks that aren't even 3 years old that are blowing out? Have got to be kidding me....

And this is where I sit today. One tank blew out and one on the way to blowing out.

Like I said, as far as I'm concerned a class-action is coming because this company KNOWS of the material issues with their tanks and they KEEP sending out tanks based on the EXACT SAME design flaw that is readily known by both them and the public. As a matter of fact, RS had to upgrade the cabinets on the 600 and 700 series tanks with that little cabinet brace, had several tank failures across their larger tank lines, and then came out with Reefer G2's and the far superior tank bracing--even some with METAL cabinets and euro bracing. But guess what? They completely discontinued the 625 and 700 series tanks all together. Coincidence? And why is it that their tanks all seem to fail right around that 2.5 to 3 year mark of the warranty period? Yet another coincidence?

I'm sorry and I know I blew your thread up, but I am beyond ticked. Like I said a class action is coming, so if any of you would be interested in pursuing one with me, let me know. I'm in CA where we have some pretty stringent consumer laws pertaining to companies that sell faulty and similarly dangerous equipment. Could a person be maimed or killed by a 165- gallon glass aquarium made with faulty materials, means, and methods blowing out while said person tried to perform the simple task of looking at their fish and coral. I would venture to say yes......

Anyway, you all can follow along on my journey with these tanks on my youtube channel here:

Sorry for the leaks, the stands do not look that great on those. How many times has the tank been moved if at all since it was new?

330Bob · Apr 27, 2023

TheDuude said:
So does Red Sea specify a line expectancy for their rimless tanks when full of saltwater 24/7?
I have an ageing 525xl and wondering if I should be planning a replacement now.

It seems like the failures tend to occur on the front glass opposite the return nozzle.. I wonder if the flow from return is placing more pressure on front glass. Also interesting the G2 tanks have dual returns off the the side.

Should not matter, I have tanks 20+ years old zero leaks. They should be over built not under built. That is an insurance job pay the deductible get a diff tank and stand those look like an accident waiting to happen.

MnFish1 · Apr 27, 2023

330Bob said:
Just saying any time you move something is when it is more likely to leak. Not sure why you are reading more into it. Those aquariums do look fragile to me. The stands do not look strong. I had one lead on a move because the people that set it up on the stand did not level it which put strain on the glass. So yes moving does increase odds of a leak. Moving anything increases risk. Move a TV 100 times vs none. Odds are higher for breakage its just the way it is.

The stands for the larger tanks are not made from particle board - I believe the smaller ones are. Agree - moving puts a stress on the equipment and increases the possibility of a leak.

Snoopdog · Apr 27, 2023

Yes, moving something could, I repeat could put stress on it. The bigger thing to consider is that these expensive tanks should be strong enough to handle that. At this point I would trust an aqueon more.

I would love to see some of you defending Red Sea have the same stance if you had a 100+ gallon tank break in the middle of night, miss a few days of work cleaning it up, replace a thousand or more sq ft of plank and lose 10k in corals. Yeah lets see you defend that if it was you.

MnFish1 · Apr 27, 2023

Snoopdog said:
Yes, moving something could, I repeat could put stress on it. The bigger thing to consider is that these expensive tanks should be strong enough to handle that. At this point I would trust an aqueon more

Part of the expense of 'these tanks' - is their low iron (easily scratched) glass in the front plus they are pre-drilled, and come with sump, etc etc. Aqueon does not - their largest tank is also 210. But you make a valid point

Snoopdog · Apr 27, 2023

MnFish1 said:
Part of the expense of 'these tanks' - is their low iron (easily scratched) glass in the front plus they are pre-drilled, and come with sump, etc etc. Aqueon does not - their largest tank is also 210. But you make a valid point

Yes I know, but Aqueon was exactly what I purchased in a pinch when my Red Sea was spilling gallons of water on my floor. That same Aqueon tank is going in my attic (just in case), it saved my butt when Red Sea failed me.

I will dip out of the thread but my entire rant today is there are a lot of holier than though people defending Red Sea but let it be you and you will change your tune fast.