Possible solution to end RTN forever?!?

[MnFish1]

That is why I haven’t been responding much. It’s pointless. If we’re not going to work together and be civil, then we’re wasting our time. I want to talk about the important details without all the personal attacks or certain people disrespecting others here.

1. What is the success/failure rate for this product in treating RTN (not killing ciliates)?
2. What if any are the long-term effects of using the product in a reef tank?
3. Its not clear if it is fish safe or not - if you use it every 2 weeks - does that mean you can't keep fish? or certain kinds of fish?
4. Can invertebrates be dipped (clams, crabs, shrimp, live rock, etc) - because if they cannot - there is no way to eliminate the ciliates from the tank (or am I wrong)?

These are questions about the product that have been politely, and repeatedly asked. Why are there no answers? (Even 'I don't know' would be enough). Thanks

 

[sde1500]

The details are out there, the claims have been made. And as of yet, no one has been able to back them up with a modicum of hard evidence that I can see at least. What other conclusion is anyone to come to, after 26 pages of posts? You started this post positing a miracle cure, breathless excitement over it, and you haven't used it?

 

[MnFish1]

I think you need to take a break. You’re making a lot of assumptions that just aren’t true.

Perhaps - but you still didnt answer the questions...

 

[Reefahholic]

Maybe im mistaken- I thought you were testing it in Houston. You said you were also testing ampicillin?

Then he will make a lot of money.


Well - if he doesn't have statistics as to long-term benefits or risks on reef tanks or coral in general - I hope he will continue to do studies.

I would appreciate if you would read what people are writing and try to understand what they really mean as compared to what you think they mean. Because to me it seems like you dont get the discussion here. If (in your OP (and the first page of the thread)) you had merely said - there is a new product out - that may help RTN - its xxxxx by Prime Coral, everyone would have gone, read the research, etc and decided whether to try it - like 'Revive' or other dip products.

Instead - the OP is full of hyperbole, science that didn't make complete sense and even when it was pointed out (by me) that there was some scientific basis to think that killing the ciliates may be beneficial - you ignore that and continue to criticize people that ask questions. Honestly - it makes it seem (not saying there is) like you have an ulterior motive.

Just this one issue - how can you come to a website recommending a product and not have any data as to how often it works? If what you're saying is we know this kills ciliates - there is no data that it helps RTN - but it might - thats ok too - but at least its an answer.

Ok man...you caught me. I’m sponsored by Prime Coral. He’s here at my house in Texas right now. LOL. He is supplying me with 10,000,000,000 ounces of the product. My job is to convince everybody on this thread that the product is 100% effective!!

If I do that...then I’ll receive a 500k bonus!

On top of that...for every ounce I sell...he will build me a 3,500 square foot home in the location of my choice.

 

[MnFish1]

Ok man...you caught me. I’m sponsored by Prime Coral. He’s here at my house in Texas right now. LOL. He is supplying me with 10,000,000,000 ounces of the product. My job is to convince everybody on this thread that the product is 100% effective!!

If I do that...then I’ll receive a 500k bonus!

On top of that...for every ounce I sell...he will build me a 3,500 square foot home in the location of my choice.

I never said any of that - I do not at all think you are working with Prime. I said some of the things you said have lead people to think you may have an ulterior motive. I never said or proposed what that motive might be. There could be many ulterior motives - or none. But - I never suggested you had a relationship with the company or Dr. D.

 

[Gregg @ ADP]

I think this thread has RTN at this point

 

[Reefahholic]

The details are out there, the claims have been made. And as of yet, no one has been able to back them up with a modicum of hard evidence that I can see at least. What other conclusion is anyone to come to, after 26 pages of posts? You started this post positing a miracle cure, breathless excitement over it, and you haven't used it?

The conclusion is the same one from the beginning that’s even in the title of the thread. We might have a possible solution to RTN/STN.

Yes that’s exciting. I’m still excited!

Yes, a lot of us are testing antibiotics here in Houston. We’re testing everything. I’ve tested multiple things w/o any success. Just like the others there are some that do not seem affected no matter how long they’re in the medication even at 5x the amount used in the studies.

I will be testing the PC products but have not received any yet. Some of us here are already well on the way to testing them. I’m currently sitting back and watching things unfold and trying not to take everything too seriously until I know that something is 100% working either to eradicate or at least control it.

What else do you want me to say. LOL.

 

[VSVP bet]

friday afternoon at work, i feel like i have RTN......

 

[Reefahholic]

I think this thread has RTN at this point

Yep, because of certain people who aren’t looking for answers. They’re only looking to stir the pot.

Some of us are genuinely looking for answers. We don’t care to argue and listen to all the nonsense.

 

[Reefahholic]

There’s a lot of us testing trust me. I work in a hospital and know a lot of people in the medical field. I can get about anything I want to test.


Anonymous tester unleashing Prime Coral into the tank:

 

[sde1500]

Then why not wait until some of your own and your friend's testing is actually done? I can't be the only one shocked to read on page 26 of this thread that the OP of this thread hasn't even used the product. Maybe it is just me, but I can't say I'd ever be advocating for anything I haven't personally used and benefited from.

 

[Reefahholic]

friday afternoon at work, i feel like i have RTN......

I gotta work in the morning.

 

[jda]

What? With the fish. It says that it will kill the fish and that they should all be removed. Something is not right here...

 

[Reefahholic]

Then why not wait until some of your own and your friend's testing is actually done? I can't be the only one shocked to read on page 26 of this thread that the OP of this thread hasn't even used the product. Maybe it is just me, but I can't say I'd ever be advocating for anything I haven't personally used and benefited from.

I just think he’s done enough research to know that it’s working. 500+ cultures and multiple sensitivity testing is enough for me. It may not kill 100% of them, but I do think it will control them.

I just don’t see a reason for him to lie about it. He’s a freakin’ neurosurgeon with a huge house already. I mean anything is possible, but I don’t think he’s lying about it. He’s got all those videos where he’s actually pretty honest about everything he’s done.

If you think he’s a big fat liar then just don’t buy his products. It’s that simple. Don’t respond to this thread anymore.

 

[Reefahholic]

What? With the fish. It says that it will kill the fish and that they should all be removed. Something is not right here...

This particular person has under dosed his tank by 10%.

It can kill fish, because it can deplete oxygen in the water column just like NO3-PO4X.

Psxerholic treated (I think full dose) and only lost one fish. I’ll have to get back on that. I’ll ask him.

 

[Gregg @ ADP]

I just think he’s done enough research to know that it’s working. 500+ cultures and multiple sensitivity testing is enough for me. It may not kill 100% of them, but I do think it will control them.

I just don’t see a reason for him to lie about it. He’s a freakin’ neurosurgeon with a huge house already. I mean anything is possible, but I don’t think he’s lying about it. He’s got all those videos where he’s actually pretty honest about everything he’s done.

If you think he’s a big fat liar then just don’t buy his products. It’s that simple. Don’t respond to this thread anymore.

I’m not sure anybody is calling him a big fat liar.

From my perspective, his research is, at most, illustrating a correlation between coral tissue necrosis and the presence of a protazoan...but is a long ways, and good testing methods, away from reaching any sort of conclusion on.

It’s all pretty anecdotal, and the results other people get using it on their RTN’d corals is also going to be pretty anecdotal.

There is a way to properly test this stuff. I don’t believe it has been done to this point.

 

[Reefahholic]

I’m not sure anybody is calling him a big fat liar.

From my perspective, his research is, at most, illustrating a correlation between coral tissue necrosis and the presence of a protazoan...but is a long ways, and good testing methods, away from reaching any sort of conclusion on.

It’s all pretty anecdotal, and the results other people get using it on their RTN’d corals is also going to be pretty anecdotal.

There is a way to properly test this stuff. I don’t believe it has been done to this point.

Why would a neurosurgeon lie about using Koch's Postulates? It just doesn’t make sense.

We can clearly see all the cultures he’s done. Maybe not all 500, but why would somebody who’s a Reefer himself lie about his findings? He would know that in time we’ll all find out. It just doesn’t make sense to me personally. That’s why we test things to find out if they’re true.

Either he’s the biggest liar on the planet and a money hungry person or he’s found something that works. Well, time will tell.

 

[MnFish1]

The conclusion is the same one from the beginning that’s even in the title of the thread. We might have a possible solution to RTN/STN.

Yes that’s exciting. I’m still excited!

Yes, a lot of us are testing antibiotics here in Houston. We’re testing everything. I’ve tested multiple things w/o any success. Just like the others there are some that do not seem affected no matter how long they’re in the medication even at 5x the amount used in the studies.

I will be testing the PC products but have not received any yet. Some of us here are already well on the way to testing them. I’m currently sitting back and watching things unfold and trying not to take everything too seriously until I know that something is 100% working either to eradicate or at least control it.

What else do you want me to say. LOL.

THANKS ALOT! for answering. Seriously - I was wondering how youre doing the testing - are you going at it from the standpoint of 'killing ciliates' or 'treating cases of RTN'. If you're treating cases of RTN - are you using the methods from the paper? I'm just curious. Not critical - I applaud that you're doing this. If you want some advice or help I'd be happy to give you some advice.

 

[MnFish1]

I just think he’s done enough research to know that it’s working. 500+ cultures and multiple sensitivity testing is enough for me. It may not kill 100% of them, but I do think it will control them.

I just don’t see a reason for him to lie about it. He’s a freakin’ neurosurgeon with a huge house already. I mean anything is possible, but I don’t think he’s lying about it. He’s got all those videos where he’s actually pretty honest about everything he’s done.

If you think he’s a big fat liar then just don’t buy his products. It’s that simple. Don’t respond to this thread anymore.

I also don't think he's lying. I said that 20 pages ago. But - I do not think he has done sensitivity testing (at least as its classically described) - I haven't seen that video. And I don't know how you get a pure culture of Philaster. But - as I mentioned previously - that doesn't matter at this point. Ive moved on to the bigger goal - which is stopping RTN (without knowing exactly how its being done).

How often does this product 'cure'/reverse RTN? I wish you could answer some of the other questions - or @Prime Coral can answer them - they are not confrontative or negative - they are common sense questions.

 

[MnFish1]

I just think he’s done enough research to know that it’s working. 500+ cultures and multiple sensitivity testing is enough for me. It may not kill 100% of them, but I do think it will control them.

SO - This may be semantics. But - the key point is not does the product kill Philaster. the point is does it reverse/cure/stop RTN. This seems to be the stumbling point the you don't quite understand people are saying. No offense. There has been a lot of science about whether Philaster is the pathogen or not and what kills it or doesnt. I just want to know - does this product stop RTN - and what are the data.