Why would they? Its well known that once a fish dies (a big fish - for the tank volume) - if not removed from the tank - that there can be a cascade of death - whether from bacterial overgrowth/low O2 - or ammonia, etc. I don't think many people measure ammonia except with cycling - and I personally am not Sure 'why'.
I actually have looked this up - and anyone that has the desire/energy - there are LC50's listed in various articles for clowns, etc. It's all been said before - I don't see a reason to repeat it, but here is a quote:
PS - if you do the API test correctly - which is - match the closest color - not the exact color - it matches - in my experience. in other words - if an ammonia is slightly more 'green' than 'yellow' - but closer to 'yellow' - the result is supposed to be read as 0. not 0.25 or 0.125 or whatever. Many people do the test incorrectly (IMHO - API is cumbersome) - and read it incorrectly (not according to instructions)
Ok, so a seneye reading of 0.003 (I’m being generous) NH3 is totally believable to you. However an API test of somewhere above zero but below 0.25 means the test is trash (not that low readings are extremely important anyway) to you? At a pH of 7.8, they are the same thing, 0.1 NH3+NH4. If Tarichas testing of the high zero is correct, then an expected reading of almost 0.25 could be expected with all the API style tests (including this Hanna), even though much lower are generally reported. As long as folks understand they can read a little high, that will suffice.
I would suggest a rapid depletion of certain unknown trace elements or phosphate could cause it but I don’t know if the turbo start contains extra elements or just bacteria, and I presume a low pH. What an easy fix that would be, if it were that simple, lol. URINE, shrimp, flake etc. Does that bring back any memories? Low Phosphate is certainly restrictive in removing nitrite, and although I can’t easily find anything about tissue building for Ammonia Oxidizers, why not? Dang dry rock and sand, as it binds phosphate does this become unavailable to oxidizers, I suppose it must otherwise it would just incorporate into bacteria tissue and not leach out. #bringbackdirty
Very timely! Thinking about growing BioSpira and/or Fritz on microscope slides and then subjecting each to a treatment, monitoring ammonia consumption. Super gluing aragonite sand or aragonite rock slices to the slides is also an option. I should be able to rip through many factors at once.
Unless you just want to find more things that people think could halt nitrification but really don't...
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It’s certain that heterotrophs can smother, preventing or reducing oxygen from reaching nitrifiers. If this occurs in an algae dominant system,which can outcompete bacteria through diffusion, and the algae crashes, the net ammonia consumption is reversed into a net ammonia production. Algae dominated systems are generally sugar driven and heterotrophic anyway. In my mind this is one way things can go pear shaped, even in a cycled tank.Azedenkae mistakenly used Microbacter 7 instead of Microbacter XLM
FritzZyme, I am a believer.
Not that I necessarily did not believe in FritzZyme Turbo Start 900 or other bottled bacteria product before, but well, my experience makes me a 100% convert. Background: I was struggling cycling with Microbacter7. I had been reading @Dr. Reef's bottled bacteria experiments thread (thanks a...
Brightwell’s product description for Microbacter XLM specifically warns against adding Microbacter 7 and Clean products while starting an aquarium with the XLM product. This could be the explanation @brandon429 is looking for to make us believers in the notion that “cycled aquaria that use autotrophs do not stop processing ammonia“
I was in total agreement with you until we got the algae part. Algae are nitrogen vacuums. They will take up ammonia, nitrite and nitrate.
Heterotrophs will outcompete algae easily for N containing compounds - depending on the species, temperature, etc. Its basic biology
Some folks have a very simplistic view of the world. In fact there are interactions that are way beyond human comprehension. Doesn’t seem that way when you reach the peak of the Dunning Kruger curve but when you hit the bottom of the first peak, humility sets in. Some folk never get over the first peak, it seems.
12 hr nights! Oh man, that’s tough.Some folks have a very simplistic view of the world. In fact there are interactions that are way beyond human comprehension. Doesn’t seem that way when you reach the peak of the Dunning Kruger curve but when you hit the bottom of the first peak, humility sets in. Some folk never get over the first peak, it seems.
I would note, I’m grumpy, been doing 12hr nights
One thing nobody tells you is constipation, sleep deprivation is a side deal. Took me 10 months to acclimate (reef reference). I conclude I’m full of ****
