What is your Most desired fish if Hawaii Ban is lifted?

[areefer01]

Wow lucky you guys can even fight over captive vs wild. In some countries imported captive bred are flat out banned making yellow tangs as rare as rocking horse dust. I'd be more then happy with a healthy captive bred if ment getting one as a pet! And probably far cheaper then wild non Hawaiian yellows. as well it ment helping with a sustainable future and if the breeders gave back to the wild reefs.

I'm not sure I would say lucky. Regulations and laws in your part of the world, assuming Australia, are for a reason. While they may seem bad, and maybe they are or are frustrating, you have resources you can pull from and still make an amazing display. Just a limited selection on both.

Not saying everything is rosy or makes sense (laws and regulation) or that they even got them right but you don't want something like what is happening in Florida with lion fish or pythons. Always difficult to say which started the chain of events be it ignorant hobbyist releasing into the while or an act of Mother Nature and storms.

 

[areefer01]

This thread has really gone off the rails. I believe the question was what fish you would want if the Hawaiian ban was lifted. Not why you shouldn’t want fish

You are right. However there is a bit of misinformation as some of the fish people would want if the ban was lifted are available today. Some more available than others due to production. There is also a bit of price misinformation.

As to local collector or captive breeding businesses I will stay in my own lane as most of us "hobbyist" have no insight as to how it impacts them. I do wish both parties could find common ground and work together rather than leaving it to government bodies. There has to be something they can work with helping both.

 

[ieatbugman]

I would love to get a dwarf moray eel someday, they are super cute

 

[ieatbugman]

To be fair i haven’t looked very hard so i don’t know how available they are

 

[ieatbugman]

ok, they are $440 off of fishandcoralstore.com

 

[merkmerk73]

This thread has really gone off the rails. I believe the question was what fish you would want if the Hawaiian ban was lifted. Not why you shouldn’t want fish

I'd rather see people discussing fish as opposed to spamming the thread 4 times in a few hours with 1 sentence replies but thats just me

 

[ieatbugman]

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[ieatbugman]

Its five times actually, i posted a month or so ago.

 

[ieatbugman]

 

[ieatbugman]

And i would love to discuss fish, but no one seems to be on when i post

 

[litsoh]

I think what merk means is you don't need to have a separate post for every statement. They can all fit into one.

Think less iMessage/Chatroom, more email

 

[DylanE]

ok, they are $440 off of fishandcoralstore.com

Huh, I wonder if they actually get them in stock. I've been wanting one for years but as soon as I had an appropriate tank, the ban was in place. I'm going to place a reservation, just in case lol. I'm also on team dwarf moray, obviously.

 

[ieatbugman]

Well… i have a scattered mind, sorry

I think what merk means is you don't need to have a separate post for every statement. They can all fit into one.

Think less iMessage/Chatroom, more email

I agree, i just think of stuff after i post it

 

[Tony Thompson]

I have already posted this but I will post again for those that missed it.

Bellow is an updated report ( July 2024) from the Board of Land and Natural Resources

https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/dar/files/2024/07/Data-Review-and-Management-Brief-for-the-West-Hawaiʻi-Commercial-Aquarium-Fishery-Updated-July-2024.pdf
Latest news from DNLR.
The latest update this month August 2024. The Division of Aquatic Resources (DAR) is seeking preliminary approval of an application form and permit terms and conditions from the Board of Land and Natural Resources (Board or BLNR) to facilitate the permitting process for commercial aquarium collecting in West Hawaiʻi.

https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/F-1-1.pdf
If accepted those whom have applied for new licences will be processed for issuance and collection may begin once again.

LOTS OF COMMENTS ON THIS THREAD. If anyone is so passionate, for or against then maybe watch live or send your personal statement to the board.

As an aquarist I have more exposure to the comments from the Trade media and will say one thing, so much miss information being banded around. I am neither for or against the motion as it is was originally centred around a point of law. The panel will decide after hearing from the plaintiff and the defendant as part of the democratic due process.

For what it is worth (not much)I can see no legal reason for any further appeal and my bet is that the issuance of licences will commence again.

I have documented the full process from the start elsewhere on this forum, without editing or selective reporting.

Rather than just ask people to write a genetic letter opposing or supporting. I have linked below the datils and location of the meeting. The meeting can be viewed live on YouTube by utilising the link given. Personal statements can also be submitted in a number of formats, remote or in person.

https://dlnr.hawaii.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/Agenda-240823.pdf

Best of luck to all those involved.

 

[ieatbugman]

Thank you!!!

 

[Tony Thompson]

As a point of interest, lets see the price point of wild collected YT if they start up again. For those making comparisons with Captive Bred, which in my opinion is based on unfair comparison to historical pricing, I suspect
you may be surprised.

I would also like to say that when I was trading CB yellow tangs from Biota the price actually dropped significantly during the moratorium ("ban") on collection in Hawaii. At one point I was selling them for £99. The pricing from Biota would seem to me to be not based on taking advantage of the ban but on the re investment that was made to gear up production to meet demand.

I often disagree on you with your marketing statements @Biota_Marine but the work you do as a team is very much appreciated by a significant portion of our aquarist community, Including myself.

Keep up the great work, no matter what happens your mission is still as valid now as ever.

With regards those involved in the trade directly, including the collectors. I also wish you the best of luck. Sustainable wild collection and captive breeding both have a role and are equally important.

 

[Cool tangs]

I'm not sure I would say lucky. Regulations and laws in your part of the world, assuming Australia, are for a reason. While they may seem bad, and maybe they are or are frustrating, you have resources you can pull from and still make an amazing display. Just a limited selection on both.

Not saying everything is rosy or makes sense (laws and regulation) or that they even got them right but you don't want something like what is happening in Florida with lion fish or pythons. Always difficult to say which started the chain of events be it ignorant hobbyist releasing into the while or an act of Mother Nature and storms.

Yes we are very lucky in Aus as well, we have a lot of beautiful corals and fish

 

[Tony Thompson]

Wow lucky you guys can even fight over captive vs wild. In some countries imported captive bred are flat out banned making yellow tangs as rare as rocking horse dust.

Just as a point of interest, although not applicable to yourself (as they are not available). Captive breeding of Yellow Tangs and research was once carried out in Australia by the Batavia Coast Maritime Institute along with a number of other species.

As far as I am aware certain other captive bred marine ornamental species are currently available in Oz. Reasonably priced also.

With regards a ban on import of marine captive bred in Australia, you could check out the review which started last year. Australian Government Dept of Aquaculture and Fisheries, which once the review is complete could set standards of BICON which would enable import of Aquaculture Marine Ornamentals.

 

[Hawaii hobbyist]

As a point of interest, lets see the price point of wild collected YT if they start up again. For those making comparisons with Captive Bred, which in my opinion is based on unfair comparison to historical pricing, I suspect
you may be surprised.

I would also like to say that when I was trading CB yellow tangs from Biota the price actually dropped significantly during the moratorium ("ban") on collection in Hawaii. At one point I was selling them for £99. The pricing from Biota would seem to me to be not based on taking advantage of the ban but on the re investment that was made to gear up production to meet demand.

I often disagree on you with your marketing statements @Biota_Marine but the work you do as a team is very much appreciated by a significant portion of our aquarist community, Including myself.

Keep up the great work, no matter what happens your mission is still as valid now as ever.

With regards those involved in the trade directly, including the collectors. I also wish you the best of luck. Sustainable wild collection and captive breeding both have a role and are equally important.

A very balanced take and one i tend to agree with! We can be complimentary and not working against each other. Synergy is good!
Appreciate your thoughts, mahalo from tha Big Island!!

 

[Northern Flicker]

Not surprised that the two people
In the industry are slapping each other on the back.

Once these permits are issued, I would love to see $80-100 wild caught YTs or higher. The commenters expecting them to be cheap again (ie disposable) might actually stop the Biota witch hunt.

The future is captive bred, the collection industry will not survive the next generation or so.