What is your Most desired fish if Hawaii Ban is lifted?

[Northern Flicker]

$900…

I can get a Biota CB Yellow Tang in Canada for sub $200 CAD, so around $150 USD. Not sure where you shop but it must be in the Hamptons or something lol

 

[Northern Flicker]

Time and money. It more than likely comes down to production. Keeping them on site would require additional space more than likely or delaying other animals not to mention more food, larger (possible) shipping bags, more water weight, etc. They found a good size to ship reliably and meet those production needs. The fish colors up. Hobbyist get to enjoy a fish maturing / growing.

There really is no issue here other than some hobbyist prefer A over B. The one thing I learned after 192 posts is that neither side is going to change the others mind.

What changed my mind was working in the industry and seeing first hand what happens to wild caught fish.

First off, if you've ever watched videos on the treatment of these fish when they are caught, they are already starting off precariously. Caught, thrown into a holding tank with thousands of other fish, pricked with a needle to stop gas from building up in them.

Then you have export and import - I've seen boxes and boxes full of dead fish. Sometimes they just get left on the cold floor of the hangar because there is a paperwork issue. I've opened shipments where 20+ boxes (thousands of fish) all died. Bags and bags full of dead wild caught fish.

They are held by the importer and distributed to various in country fish stores. Here you see more shipping loses.

Then, if lucky, they may survive the conditions of an LFS. Go to any large LFS, even the ones with good reps, and check their back rooms or garbage areas: I can assure you, there are buckets and buckets full of dead fish. Some just sickly and are thrown into the buckets without being euthanized.

I would be surprised if for every 1 tang that lives half it's lifespan in an aquarium, 5 haven't died along the way.

With CB fish, we will see some of these issues (import delays, etc), but survivability is much much higher. The fish don't go through collection and are much easier to feed.

If these kinds of losses and impacts to their habitat are seen as acceptable to us as community, I think it's fair for groups to come after us. All that death for our own vanity. Places like Biota will be the saving grace for this hobby as environmental concerns start to ramp up. Support them!

 

[rob1976]

I can get a Biota CB Yellow Tang in Canada for sub $200 CAD, so around $150 USD. Not sure where you shop but it must be in the Hamptons or something lol

Where’s this if you don’t mind me asking

 

[Northern Flicker]

Candy had them at 35% on Canada Day, right now they have them at 25% so just over $200.

Captive Bred Yellow Tang

Zebrasoma flavescens-The yellow tang is the most iconic aquarium fish around the world. Bright yellow in coloration and endemic to the islands of Hawaii this is a fish we breed in conjunction with the Oceanographic Institute of Hawaii Pacific University. These are voracious herbivores do well...

candycorals.ca

New Dawn and J&L also have them around $200 on sale if you are watching them. Someone told me Sustainable Marine also has them cheap but I've never seen them stock any of the Biota stuff so maybe they are no longer a dealer.

 

[Cichlid Dad]

I can claim I have 100 billion in the bank. That doesn’t make it true. You can’t prove the lineage of your tangs.

I know what I’ve seen. Many other people have mentioned it here too. Biota yellow tangs are dull. Many have defects or issues. Those are facts.

But hey. Keep trying to stir the pot.

 

[Gatorpa]

I can get a Biota CB Yellow Tang in Canada for sub $200 CAD, so around $150 USD. Not sure where you shop but it must be in the Hamptons or something lol

That was the price on their website.

FWIW I never buy fish on line.

 

[jay1976]

Hawaiian Potter's Angelfish

Centropyge bispinosa-The coral beauty angelfish is one of the most beautiful aquarium fish in the hobby. They have an incredibly bright mixture of oranges and blues. These dwarf angels stay around 4 and are great inhabitants for a reef aquarium. If not fed a proper diet they may pick on certain...

shop.thebiotagroup.com

yeah just a bit lol

worth a grand in my book though

these are dirt cheap in Australia 65 Ozzy dollars.

 

[Spare time]

None. Let them be. We already have plenty of fish in the hobby and plenty that die because of it.

 

[eliaslikesfish]

None. Let them be. We already have plenty of fish in the hobby and plenty that die because of it.

but, there’s 3 trillion fish in the ocean

 

[areefer01]

but, there’s 3 trillion fish in the ocean

That is impressive. Did you count them all?

 

[muffinmanXL]

You have ZERO proof those are tank bred yellow tangs. Meanwhile I’ve seen dozens of shipments of them all come in pale. And multiple in a display for over a year and still pale compared to wild yellows.

Good try.

Easy there cowboy LOL, who from Biota hurt you? those are his fish purchased directly from Biota

I’ve had both WC (that I lost) and several Biota YT’s; the latter colored up nicely and looked just like my old WC.

 

[Hawaii hobbyist]

What changed my mind was working in the industry and seeing first hand what happens to wild caught fish.

First off, if you've ever watched videos on the treatment of these fish when they are caught, they are already starting off precariously. Caught, thrown into a holding tank with thousands of other fish, pricked with a needle to stop gas from building up in them.

Then you have export and import - I've seen boxes and boxes full of dead fish. Sometimes they just get left on the cold floor of the hangar because there is a paperwork issue. I've opened shipments where 20+ boxes (thousands of fish) all died. Bags and bags full of dead wild caught fish.

They are held by the importer and distributed to various in country fish stores. Here you see more shipping loses.

Then, if lucky, they may survive the conditions of an LFS. Go to any large LFS, even the ones with good reps, and check their back rooms or garbage areas: I can assure you, there are buckets and buckets full of dead fish. Some just sickly and are thrown into the buckets without being euthanized.

I would be surprised if for every 1 tang that lives half it's lifespan in an aquarium, 5 haven't died along the way.

With CB fish, we will see some of these issues (import delays, etc), but survivability is much much higher. The fish don't go through collection and are much easier to feed.

If these kinds of losses and impacts to their habitat are seen as acceptable to us as community, I think it's fair for groups to come after us. All that death for our own vanity. Places like Biota will be the saving grace for this hobby as environmental concerns start to ramp up. Support them!

You’re full of it. Post receipts or be quiet

Biota doesn’t even exists without a constant source of wild fish. You realize this yeah? Lol. Of course you don’t.

 

[Solo McReefer]

You’re full of it. Post receipts or be quiet

Biota doesn’t even exists without a constant source of wild fish. You realize this yeah? Lol. Of course you don’t.

People think I'm nuts

But I actually pay people to kill fish

Put them in cans

I keep them in my pantry, room temperature even

I even eat them

 

[buruskeee]

Biota doesn’t even exists without a constant source of wild fish. You realize this yeah? Lol. Of course you don’t.

Not really interested in the side talk about receipts and hyperboles about wild caught versus CB…

But I’m not sure what you’re implying by “constant source of wild fish”. Biota is many generations of Yellow Tangs in the making with their breeding. I could understand that in the beginning they need a steady supply until they were successful, but since the first few batches, why would they need wild caught in perpetuity when they have generations of spawns that can spawn their own?

 

[Solo McReefer]

why would they need wild caught in perpetuity

Your question is predicated on them just breeding only yellow tangs

I doubt that

They turned a $12 fish into a $165 fish. Remarkably so. And I love my Biota yellow tang. I'm going to get more

But, If they are not trying to breed $500+ fish right this minute, I would be amazed

 

[OrionN]

This thread really taken over by people with agenda other than what was originally intended question. Too bad.
I would love a Potter Leopard harem and Flame Fairy Wrasse harem.

 

[RedReefer]

If they lift the ban, I'll have to get a larger tank.

 

[Overboard]

Flame wrasse for sure!

 

[Hawaii hobbyist]

Not really interested in the side talk about receipts and hyperboles about wild caught versus CB…

But I’m not sure what you’re implying by “constant source of wild fish”. Biota is many generations of Yellow Tangs in the making with their breeding. I could understand that in the beginning they need a steady supply until they were successful, but since the first few batches, why would they need wild caught in perpetuity when they have generations of spawns that can spawn their own?

That isn’t true.

 

[Hawaii hobbyist]

This thread really taken over by people with agenda other than what was originally intended question. Too bad.
I would love a Potter Leopard harem and Flame Fairy Wrasse harem.

Yes exactly, the biota crew needs to go somewhere else