The Phosphate reply? Some of it. That was a long reply, I’ll go read the rest.
HOBBY GRADE TEST KITS CAN OUTPERFORM ICP MEASUREMENTS…REALLY??
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What was wrong with his UV video. I missed it.
@JB Reefers….8 months in. 
Nothing but water changes. Hehe.
Nothing but water changes. Hehe. 
I just felt bad for Marc. You can tell he was feeling trapped.
I saw that video, but I didn’t catch what they got wrong. I just remember them shooting the case temperatures and saying something to the effect that UV was present in the Halides, and near absent in the LED’s. Or something to that effect.
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I vote for Tester #1 to put up a YouTube on his Hanna Calcium routine. Dudes a pimp! Did he accidently add the C reagent in the first step instead of B for his Silicate test? I did that my first go. Lol
Triton is finally being honest. I assuming this is Triton as it looks like their format, but a little different. It appears that they listed (< LOD) for most of the ultra trace elements instead of “pretending” they can get down there. I’d love to see more labs follow suit. I appreciate and applaud his honesty if that is the case.
I lied, just figured out that is Reef Zelements. Not Triton.
For a second I thought maybe they changed it based upon my thread.
ICP Labs - Are the Reported Results Geared Toward the Hobby
In another thread the question of significant/insignificant decimal places reported in an ICP analysis was brought up. This raises the question that even though these labs are testing specifically for the hobby, are the results they are reporting actually geared toward the hobby? What level of...
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For a second I thought maybe they changed it based upon my thread.
ICP Labs - Are the Reported Results Geared Toward the Hobby
In another thread the question of significant/insignificant decimal places reported in an ICP analysis was brought up. This raises the question that even though these labs are testing specifically for the hobby, are the results they are reporting actually geared toward the hobby? What level of...
Their analysis looks very similar to Trition. They even have the same colored/design slider graph bars.
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Yes, I quoted many of them in my icp article.
My Triton Testing Results: By Randy Holmes-Farley - REEFEDITION
Recently, Triton GmbH in Germany has initiated a method of testing many ions at once for a single price. In the US, that service is coordinated by Unique Corals. For $49 they will send you a couple of tubes to collect a tank water sample, and a prepaid mailer to send the sample back to them...
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For example:
Vanadium (V). Triton can just barely detect the natural level of vanadium (1.8 µg/L) since their LOD is 0.9 µg/L. Still, detecting none suggests it may be depleted, and is another possibility for dosing.
Zinc (Zn). The zinc is about spot on, so there’s not much to say about it.
Manganese (Mn). Triton can just barely detect the natural level of manganese (0.17 µg/L) since their LOD is 0.12 µg/L. Detecting none suggests it may be depleted, and is another possibility for dosing, but I have less confidence that this one is really seriously depleted since it is so close to the LOD. But Mn is biologically important and I will consider it.
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Randy I do have a question. When I get let’s say Triton ICP OES results and some of these elements like Mn are shown as depleted, but I use a 2 part or 3 part system like TM Original Balling method combined with TM A and K trace mix should I be concerned? Or should i only be concerned if Mn is over the limit?Yes, I quoted many of them in my icp article.
My Triton Testing Results: By Randy Holmes-Farley - REEFEDITION
Recently, Triton GmbH in Germany has initiated a method of testing many ions at once for a single price. In the US, that service is coordinated by Unique Corals. For $49 they will send you a couple of tubes to collect a tank water sample, and a prepaid mailer to send the sample back to them...www.reefedition.com
For example:
Vanadium (V). Triton can just barely detect the natural level of vanadium (1.8 µg/L) since their LOD is 0.9 µg/L. Still, detecting none suggests it may be depleted, and is another possibility for dosing. In
Zinc (Zn). The zinc is about spot on, so there’s not much to say about it.
Manganese (Mn). Triton can just barely detect the natural level of manganese (0.17 µg/L) since their LOD is 0.12 µg/L. Detecting none suggests it may be depleted, and is another possibility for dosing, but I have less confidence that this one is really seriously depleted since it is so close to the LOD. But Mn is biologically important and I will consider it.
A and K contains these elements so they are added daily with the 2 or 3 part…
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We do not have much good info on what levels of trace elements in what chemical forms are needed, so regardless of using icp or not, there is a bit of trial and error involved.
IMO, your dose may be perfectly adequate, but it is also a fine experiment to dose more and observe the tank.
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Agree - If the level is low - try adding - (one at a time) - and seeing if there is a difference. Or - add a multiple element product. Watch for months - check an ICP every month with the same lab.
@Randy Holmes-Farley Have you heard any company that solves the issue of organically bound vs free elements? I have seen some using a probably a micron filter to get rid of bacteria, etc -
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To me the problem with all of these 'measurements' is the red, green, yellow graphs. What exactly are they based on. If a company I sent an ICP test to couldn't answer that question I would not send another
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@Randy Holmes-Farley here is an interesting question. Let's pretend the normal range for element vanadium is yyy.yyy. In the ocean. In a tank - the concentration of coral in a tank as compared to the open ocean is orders of magnitudes different. I'm not sure at all that aiming for an ocean equal chemistry makes sense
I can’t see the download because my phone is full, but most labs “will list” LLOD information on their websites for ultra trace elements. Values that aren’t achievable by OES. What frustrates me is that instead of listing (< LOD) on their analysis, they will list a number (let’s say .05 ug/L. This implies to me that they’re saying they can accurately get down there which is garbage. What I’m arguing is they should do exactly what Reef Zelements is doing. For elements where OES is struggling (result is likely inaccurate or very questionable [below 2-3 ug/L for several elements]) or where OES simply lacks the “sensitivity” altogether, list that value as (< LLOD) instead of listing the inaccurate value/ noise. When people see a value there, they automatically assume they methodology was able to detect it accurately which is misleading. They need to stop that nonsense.
Yes, I quoted many of them in my icp article.
My Triton Testing Results: By Randy Holmes-Farley - REEFEDITION
Recently, Triton GmbH in Germany has initiated a method of testing many ions at once for a single price. In the US, that service is coordinated by Unique Corals. For $49 they will send you a couple of tubes to collect a tank water sample, and a prepaid mailer to send the sample back to them...www.reefedition.com
For example:
Vanadium (V). Triton can just barely detect the natural level of vanadium (1.8 µg/L) since their LOD is 0.9 µg/L. Still, detecting none suggests it may be depleted, and is another possibility for dosing.
Zinc (Zn). The zinc is about spot on, so there’s not much to say about it.
Manganese (Mn). Triton can just barely detect the natural level of manganese (0.17 µg/L) since their LOD is 0.12 µg/L. Detecting none suggests it may be depleted, and is another possibility for dosing, but I have less confidence that this one is really seriously depleted since it is so close to the LOD. But Mn is biologically important and I will consider it.
Exactly, take Selenium for example. Think about this. OES “starts” to detect Se accurately when it’s around 10 ug/L!
Why are these OES labs “pretending” they’re able to get down below 1 ug/L for that element. Why not just list < LLOD. Done.
When they list a value, to me it implies they’re able to get down there, and I think others would agree with that. They even have the slider bars in the green, yellow, red, etc. Doesn’t that imply to most folks that the result they’re looking at is accurate and you can dose from it? Some of these labs need to stop this nonsense.
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