Dinoflagellates – Are You Tired Of Battling Altogether?

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I notice certain pods hanging out in dino infected areas or algae infested areas.
Is this solely for cover or are they eating it?
If so i don't see why they wouldn't consume some dinoflagellates.
The problem may be they don't seek them out solely and like pretty much everything they have a varied diet.
So you wouldn't see a huge difference from them until numbers are huge and other foods was removed.
I have a QT that sandless and just macro algae and pods.
My fish have had really high survival rates while QT in this system.
The babies of these mysis shrimp i suspect eat anything and may be consuming any bad dinoflagellates.
I also have a type of copepod that loves living in dinoflagellates infected areas.
 
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I notice certain pods hanging out in dino infected areas or algae infested areas.
Is this solely for cover or are they eating it?
If so i don't see why they wouldn't consume some dinoflagellates.
The problem may be they don't seek them out solely and like pretty much everything they have a varied diet.
So you wouldn't see a huge difference from them until numbers are huge and other foods was removed.
I have a QT that sandless and just macro algae and pods.
My fish have had really high survival rates while QT in this system.
The babies of these mysis shrimp i suspect eat anything and may e consuming any bad dinoflagellates.
I also have a type of copepod that loves living in dinoflagellates infected areas.

Unfortunately "some" ≠ control.

Toxins and mucus (which also contains toxins) are the dino's main defense. Pods slowing down "becoming lazy" and then dying off are one of the early signs of a dino bloom that gets noticed.
 

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Unfortunately "some" ≠ control.

Toxins and mucus (which also contains toxins) are the dino's main defense. Pods slowing down "becoming lazy" and then dying off are one of the early signs of a dino bloom that gets noticed.
So you're saying dinoflagellates kill pods? Because it a main food source for most pods.
Problem would be the unspeakable number of different species of dinoflagellates.
So to control one is impossible. I'm get a scope in the future and remove the tiny baby mysis and test them against dinoflagellates that i can get a hold of.
 

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So my dinos are dormant. Does anyone know what kind they are?

Speaking of their mucus and toxins, is there a way to get them into a state where they aren't creating toxins or mucus? Still trying to read through this whole thing...
 

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So my dinos are dormant. Does anyone know what kind they are?

Speaking of their mucus and toxins, is there a way to get them into a state where they aren't creating toxins or mucus? Still trying to read through this whole thing...
I read that reducing nitrate lowers the level toxin. Problem is that goes against everything in this thread.

As for the slime. No once it get to that state it's rapidly reproducing.
 

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I read that reducing nitrate lowers the level toxin. Problem is that goes against everything in this thread.

As for the slime. No once it get to that state it's rapidly reproducing.
The slime. I've found is a way to netting prey. Which in turn breaks down producing nitrate and phosphate..... Funny isn't it.
 
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So my dinos are dormant. Does anyone know what kind they are?

Speaking of their mucus and toxins, is there a way to get them into a state where they aren't creating toxins or mucus? Still trying to read through this whole thing...

Toxins are ultimately a byproduct of starving, which ironically leads to blooming into large numbers.

Mucus is a byproduct of high light and high flow conditions – it helps them sink and gives them some light protection.

In large numbers, with mucus production is generally when they become visible and get noticed.

This is partly why the blooms that disappear during the night do that....no light so they don't require the mucus protection.

I would try to physically remove those cysts with a siphon hose....gravel vac if necessary. I don't think I'd do more than that, however. Other than maintaining a healthy, nutrient-positive tank, that is. ;)
 

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I used to have tons of mysid. A crab ate them all before I could catch it. I'm going to look for live mysid to add to the tank too. Thanks for the advice everyone. I will reduce lighting and current also. If I can get them into the water column, then I will start using a sick filter and UV unit too.
 

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Finally received my microscope, sorry for the shaky camera but its hard filming with an IPhone in such a tiny hole. Anyone can help me ID?
 

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Finally received my microscope, sorry for the shaky camera but its hard filming with an IPhone in such a tiny hole. Anyone can help me ID?

Look like amphidium. Are they mostly on the sand?
 

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Yep, they form strains on the sand, some of the rocks have some brown dust coating on them but the main problem is my sand.

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