*COPPERSAFE WARNING* along with Research on Hanna Instruments High Range Copper Checker

[4FordFamily]

by the way.. there i did speak to hana and they said NOT to use the checker for copper testing in saltwater.. but now we have anther thread talking about using it and HANA might be agreeing.. Too bad they stopped my order as we could have checked that with CopperSafe against the TRITON to confirm accuracy..

Getting back to the question.. i intially followed the instructions from CopperSafe.. then added more to get the level to around 2.o My wrasses and angels... regal angel and bluestar, Labouti all did fine .. as is my potters in the copper safe..

We’ve extensively tested it in saltwater and have found near to zero difference between fresh and salt tests.

That said, Hanna is also investigating. What Hanna has said was that the low range checker isn’t suited for the job.

I personally would keep it all stable. Some increase the temp a bit if treating for ICK to speed up the life cycle..

This has no notable impact on marine ich, as far as anyone knows. It’s likely to stress fish giving the parasite an upper hand, however.

 

[chicago]

Well that is good news.. crazy thing is i had one on order.. they called me and said cant use for such an application.. looks like they did some further research with the suggestions on this thread..

 

[scuzy]

I have my temp at 75-76 because the lennardi like colder waters.

 

[Big G]

Is there a recommended temp and SG for the QT during treatment over the next 30 days?

That is a great question to which you probably would get many different responses. If the fish are in great distress, then lowering the SG and temp lowers the stress on their immune systems. Humblefish calls it "Salvage Protocol."
I've been very successful if the fish come in at a lower SG like my last few orders from LA at 1.015/6, I slowly raise up the SG while getting the fish to eat and hold it at 1.020 during prophylactic copper treatment & General Cure treatment. After the prophylactic treatments I raise the SG up to meet my DT at 1.025/6. Works for me. Your mileage may vary.

 

[deedubz]

I began treatment with Seachem Cupramine last night, drop by drop, hour by hour, as recommended by @Big G and @dwwataz. Everything seems to be fine this morning.

Out of curiosity, I matched QT temp and SG to that of the DT prior to transferring fish. Is there a recommended temp and SG for the QT during treatment over the next 30 days?

I'd leave it as is too. I was actually finishing hypo for prazi resistant flukes when I realized I was also dealing with velvet. Seemed like any time I tried to tinker around with salinity my wrasses would spaz out, but I had to raise it up some for copper

 

[HotRocks]

For what it's worth. I use 1.021, and 78 degrees

 

[Big G]

So the issue here is the concentration of coppersafe not the tests right?

The API Copper Test is not very reliable. Mine was indicating 2.0 ppm of copper; my new Hanna says 2.80 ppm. Just yesterday as I'm clearing out the copper, I tested again with API. It said I was down to 0.25 ppm; Hanna said 0.50 ppm. That's quite a error rate. I have almost zero faith in the accuracy of the API Copper Test Kit these days. Of course your experience could vary from mine. Best of luck.

 

[deedubz]

If you post a batch number maybe one of us will have a match and help guide you with dosing. You'd still have to be extra careful because the API kit is very hard to read, but it's it better than not treating if you currently need to

 

[deedubz]

Actually, @HotRocks what if we all post our batch numbers and you edit into the first post? That way someone can pm us or tag us if they have a match and would like some help

 

[deedubz]

There's no replacement for testing but it might be a good start?

 

[HotRocks]

Actually, @HotRocks what if we all post our batch numbers and you edit into the first post? That way someone can pm us or tag us if they have a match and would like some help

Anyone that posts their batch number with the result of dosing as instructed on bottle, like dosing 1.25ml into a gallon, then sharing the Hanna result I'd be glad to move that to the first post. But I think we should make sure the concentration listed is if dosed as instructed, don't you?

 

[deedubz]

Anyone that posts their batch number with the result of dosing as instructed on bottle, like dosing 1.25ml into a gallon, then sharing the Hanna result I'd be glad to move that to the first post. But I think we should make sure the concentration listed is if dosed as instructed, don't you?

That's an excellent idea too. I was thinking
Batch a, if dosed at 1= 2ppm or whatever, but also stating what would happen if dosed per bottle is very smart.

I didn't use a reagent on a test dose, but my eyes told me (API) that 1.25ml/g was well over 2, likely 3-4ppm. However, both bottles I bought had same batch number even though they were purchased several weeks, if not months, apart and dosed identically.I was smart enough to verify that with the 6 packets at my disposal. So I'd be willing to say my batch doses at
0.88ml/g= 1.79 ppm
1.07ml/g= 2.07 ppm
Knowing this now, if I were to dose another qt, I'd probably dose at ~.8ml

 

[BigJohnny]

Yes it's still fine to use, just monitor it closely and test frequently. It seems the concentration is all over the board depending on when your bottle was purchased.

I personally have switched to copper power just because it seems to be more consistent as far as the concentration. Measuring dosings with syringes and yeilding results exactly as expected using multiple testing methods.

What's the dose per gallon and therapeutic level for copperpower? Still chelated?

 

[BigJohnny]

The API Copper Test is not very reliable. Mine was indicating 2.0 ppm of copper; my new Hanna says 2.80 ppm. Just yesterday as I'm clearing out the copper, I tested again with API. It said I was down to 0.25 ppm; Hanna said 0.50 ppm. That's quite a error rate. I have almost zero faith in the accuracy of the API Copper Test Kit these days. Of course your experience could vary from mine. Best of luck.

K I'll buy a hanna

 

[HotRocks]

What's the dose per gallon and therapeutic level for copperpower? Still chelated?

It is still chelated copper. 1.5ppm is the minimum therapeutic level. This thread by @Humblefish may be of help as well.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/chelated-copper-is-chelated-copper.373513/

 

[BigJohnny]

It is still chelated copper. 1.5ppm is the minimum therapeutic level. This thread by @Humblefish may be of help as well.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/chelated-copper-is-chelated-copper.373513/

I've seen that thanks I just wasn't sure if copperpower was sifferent, I swear in your video (I forget) you were at 2.6+ though on the hanna? With fish in the tank.

 

[deedubz]

I've seen that thanks I just wasn't sure if copperpower was sifferent, I swear in your video (I forget) you were at 2.6+ though on the hanna? With fish in the tank.

That's because Fritz upped the potency and then they denied it. Your best bet is to ramp up very slowly and test frequently...Even if an API kit is all you have to work with before your Hanna arrives.

Instead of doing the suggested 1.25ml/gallon I'd start with 0.75-0.8ml/gallon. I did .88ml/gallon and that landed me at 1.79ppm. Depending on your batch the potency may vary...

 

[HotRocks]

I've seen that thanks I just wasn't sure if copperpower was sifferent, I swear in your video (I forget) you were at 2.6+ though on the hanna? With fish in the tank.

The video was actually only .23ppm, it was in the very early stages of my current batch arriving.

 

[drstardust]

Well that is good news.. crazy thing is i had one on order.. they called me and said cant use for such an application.. looks like they did some further research with the suggestions on this thread..

Did they provide more details on this?

 

[HotRocks]

Did they provide more details on this?

I think he is talking from a while back, before I ever did any testing.
They had only done research on the low range model.