Velvet, Brooks, Ich, Something Else?

[PhilTheFish]

I had another thread going but the situation has changed so starting a new one. In my previous thread I was dealing with possible flukes in a Royal Gramma. I treated the tank twice with General Cure but he ended up dying on Sunday. I'm supposed to do a third dose in a couple of days.

The problem I'm now dealing with is ich, velvet, or brooks. I'm new to marine tanks so I have no idea. I've done as much reading as I can but I'm still confused on what I have and what I can do to treat it.

I have two clowns, a snowflake and a gladiator. The snowflake had two or three spots on her dorsal fin yesterday. The gladiator had none that I could see. Both were eating fine. Woke up this morning and they are covered. Neither will take food. Both stay at the surface. The gladiator is breathing rapidly, the snowflake doesn't seem to be. I had to turn the pump off temporarily because the gladiator is struggling to fight the overflow area.

Attaching pictures and a video. Both fish went away from the surface when I got near but when I step away they both stay at the surface. The gladiator will lean a bit to one side when floating at the surface.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/uF62gNSJRhkGvSCw7

 

[vetteguy53081]

I had another thread going but the situation has changed so starting a new one. In my previous thread I was dealing with possible flukes in a Royal Gramma. I treated the tank twice with General Cure but he ended up dying on Sunday. I'm supposed to do a third dose in a couple of days.

The problem I'm now dealing with is ich, velvet, or brooks. I'm new to marine tanks so I have no idea. I've done as much reading as I can but I'm still confused on what I have and what I can do to treat it.

I have two clowns, a snowflake and a gladiator. The snowflake had two or three spots on her dorsal fin yesterday. The gladiator had none that I could see. Both were eating fine. Woke up this morning and they are covered. Neither will take food. Both stay at the surface. The gladiator is breathing rapidly, the snowflake doesn't seem to be. I had to turn the pump off temporarily because the gladiator is struggling to fight the overflow area.

Attaching pictures and a video. Both fish went away from the surface when I got near but when I step away they both stay at the surface. The gladiator will lean a bit to one side when floating at the surface.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/uF62gNSJRhkGvSCw7

Fish appears to have ich. In addition the fish is quite thin and will need to be treated in a separate quarantine tank with a recommendation to treat any other fish in the tank with it using coppersafe or copper power at treatment level 2.25 with added aeration and monitored by a reliable copper test kit and also monitor ammonia level with a reliable test kit
Is fish eating at all?
What foods are being offered?
Is the feces normal or white and stringy?

 

[Spare time]

Looks like ich to me

 

[PhilTheFish]

Fish appears to have ich. In addition the fish is quite thin and will need to be treated in a separate quarantine tank with a recommendation to treat any other fish in the tank with it using coppersafe or copper power at treatment level 2.25 with added aeration and monitored by a reliable copper test kit and also monitor ammonia level with a reliable test kit
Is fish eating at all?
What foods are being offered?
Is the feces normal or white and stringy?

They both ate fine yesterday but neither is taking food today. I have frozen food (Rod's Food). The LFS I bought them from uses that in all their tanks and suggested I keep feeding with that. I have pellets as well (New Life Spectrum Marine Fish) but I only feed pellets once or twice a week.

I have only seen the snowflake go to the bathroom once. It was last week and it was white and stringy. I don't sit close enough to the tank to see that. She just happened to go when it was feeding time. Haven't witnessed the gladiator go yet.

 

[Lavey29]

That's not ich. It's the onset of brook which is common in clowns. Ich doesn't progress from a few dots to complete cover overnight.

 

[PhilTheFish]

That's not ich. It's the onset of brook which is common in clowns. Ich doesn't progress from a few dots to complete cover overnight.

Went to LFS and owner thought the same thing. She recommended Rally Pro dosed directly in the display tank so I started that.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

The trouble is, splitting threads becomes VERY confusing. By all appearances, this is ich. Fish CAN have multiple issues at the same time, but those discrete spots are ich. Here is my last post from the other thread:

You can hold them in a 10 gallon tank, but you may need a divider to keep them from fighting in close quarters. You also need to manage the ammonia in a new tank like that. I prefer to use filter media from an established tank, but you can also use "bacteria in a bottle" products. Either way, you need to monitor the ammonia during the treatment and keep it under 0.25 ppm.

As far as treatments - I prefer coppersafe, but you can also try hyposalinity.


Jay

 

[PhilTheFish]

Last night both fish stayed vertical at the top of the tank gasping for surface air for hours. The gladiator seemed to be so tired that he couldn't fight the overflow current so I decided to do an emergency freshwater dip. I was careful to match room temp. He only lasted 2 and a half minutes in there. He was freaking out and then he'd just lay at the bottom like he was dead. So I pulled him out to avoid killing him and I put him back in the display tank. He went back to gasping for surface air.

This morning both fish were on the very bottom breathing rapidly. The snowflake was (and still is) an inch above the sand while the gladiator was resting on the sand. I dosed rally pro in the display again (second dose) and 15 minutes later when I checked on them, the gladiator was dead.

The gladiator went to seemingly fine to dead in 24-36 hours. The snowflake is still alive but not eating and gasping at the bottom.

I'm assuming I'm not dealing with ich but brook or velvet. I'm attaching some photos. It's hard to photograph the snowflake now because of where she is in the tank.

Is it possible for me to give her a rally pro bath and then pop her into a new hospital tank with copper to try and cover all bases?

Edit: Forgot to mention that the gladiator had a big loss of vibrancy over the past 24 hours if that helps diagnosis.

 

[PhilTheFish]

Managed to get several more pics.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Last night both fish stayed vertical at the top of the tank gasping for surface air for hours. The gladiator seemed to be so tired that he couldn't fight the overflow current so I decided to do an emergency freshwater dip. I was careful to match room temp. He only lasted 2 and a half minutes in there. He was freaking out and then he'd just lay at the bottom like he was dead. So I pulled him out to avoid killing him and I put him back in the display tank. He went back to gasping for surface air.

This morning both fish were on the very bottom breathing rapidly. The snowflake was (and still is) an inch above the sand while the gladiator was resting on the sand. I dosed rally pro in the display again (second dose) and 15 minutes later when I checked on them, the gladiator was dead.

The gladiator went to seemingly fine to dead in 24-36 hours. The snowflake is still alive but not eating and gasping at the bottom.

I'm assuming I'm not dealing with ich but brook or velvet. I'm attaching some photos. It's hard to photograph the snowflake now because of where she is in the tank.

Is it possible for me to give her a rally pro bath and then pop her into a new hospital tank with copper to try and cover all bases?

Edit: Forgot to mention that the gladiator had a big loss of vibrancy over the past 24 hours if that helps diagnosis.

Is it possible for me to give her a rally pro bath and then pop her into a new hospital tank with copper to try and cover all bases? - that sounds like a prudent plan here.....

 

[PhilTheFish]

Is it possible for me to give her a rally pro bath and then pop her into a new hospital tank with copper to try and cover all bases? - that sounds like a prudent plan here.....

Yep. Took the day off to grab supplies for a hospital tank. The bath will be ready in a few minutes. Just waiting for the water temp to match. Fingers crossed.