The Other Way to Run a Reef Tank (no Quarantine)

[MnFish1]

From their Facebook link...
OXYDATORS

SÖCHTING OXYDATOR Mini - $14.99
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR D - $36.99
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR A - $84.99 (sold out)
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR W - $109.99
SÖCHTING Replacement Catalyst (for Mini ) - $0.99
SÖCHTING Replacement Catalyst (for A / D / W ) - $3.99

from who's facebook link?

 

[Frogger]

From their Facebook link...
OXYDATORS

SÖCHTING OXYDATOR Mini - $14.99
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR D - $36.99
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR A - $84.99 (sold out)
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR W - $109.99
SÖCHTING Replacement Catalyst (for Mini ) - $0.99
SÖCHTING Replacement Catalyst (for A / D / W ) - $3.99

This is Canadian Dollars so it is like free if you have US dollars

 

[Frogger]

from who's facebook link?

That's from SKA Shrimps facebook page. Not sure if he ships to the US.

 

[MnFish1]

That's from SKA Shrimps facebook page. Not sure if he ships to the US.

Just emailed him - funny that the company itself is backordered - yet its being sold here for less than the usual retail price (

From Hung Lee from SKA Shrimps in Alberta. From what I have seen best price on planet.

I sent you a private message with email address

His prices are a bit higher than ordering from Germany (all models are in stock)

His prices

SÖCHTING OXYDATOR Mini - 9.97 EURO
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR D - 24.60 EURO
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR A - 56.53 euro
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR W - 69 EURO

SÖCHTING OXYDATOR Mini - 8.49 EURO
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR D - 22.95 EURO
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR A - 47.95 EURO
SÖCHTING OXYDATOR W - 65.95 EURO

 

[Frogger]

His prices are a bit higher than ordering from Germany (all models are in stock)

Yes but the shipping from Germany is 3 times as much, I also have to deal with potential Customs issues and the length of time to get it. All in all it is not even a contest once the total price is considered.

The American supplier is $45 Us dollars ($60 Canadian) and he is backordered. I would have bought from him a month ago if he had them, then I somehow found "Hung" 2 days ago.

I just paid him for a Oxydator D with 2 extra catalysts. He is shipping it out tomorrow morning all goes well and I should have it sometime mid next week. I already have 35% food grade H2O2 I bought last month for dosing to spot treat derbesia. I stopped after my corals did not appreciate the direct dosing.

I will start using 1 catalyst for my 75 gallon tank and up it to 2 if things go well.

 

[soflmuddin]

Yes but the shipping from Germany is 3 times as much, I also have to deal with potential Customs issues and the length of time to get it. All in all it is not even a contest once the total price is considered.

The American supplier is $45 Us dollars ($60 Canadian) and he is backordered. I would have bought from him a month ago if he had them, then I somehow found "Hung" 2 days ago.

I just paid him for a Oxydator D with 2 extra catalysts. He is shipping it out tomorrow morning all goes well and I should have it sometime mid next week. I already have 35% food grade H2O2 I bought last month for dosing to spot treat derbesia. I stopped after my corals did not appreciate the direct dosing.

I will start using 1 catalyst for my 75 gallon tank and up it to 2 if things go well.

Are you diluting your 35%? I think I read where you were supposed to dilute with rodi to 6%, or something like that. Please start a thread on your experiment with this.

 

[Frogger]

Are you diluting your 35%? I think I read where you were supposed to dilute with rodi to 6%, or something like that. Please start a thread on your experiment with this.

Yes I will dilute it to 6%. When spot treating my tank I had diluted some of it to 12% so I will just dilute that once more. I like the food grade because there are no stabilizers in it.

I will post a thread and I will take my bag of carbon (passive) out of the tank

 

[Mortie31]

Are you diluting your 35%? I think I read where you were supposed to dilute with rodi to 6%, or something like that. Please start a thread on your experiment with this.

People seem to dilute to between 6-12% I started at 6% saw no issues so upped it to 12% where I am now, with 2 catalysts, which seem to be as important as concentration as they dictate the rate of conversion to O2

 

[Hot2na]

You should send that pic to the budweiser corporate people...maybe it will wind up in a super bowl ad or something ...lol

 

[Paul B]

I built one a couple of years ago when Albert Thiel built one. If I ever get time, I will build another one.

 

[William Buchanan]

Does anyone know if oxydators have any adverse affects on microfauna or macroalgae? Don’t really have a reason that they would, just wondering.

 

[atoll]

Does anyone know if oxydators have any adverse affects on microfauna or macroalgae? Don’t really have a reason that they would, just wondering.

If anything they seem to enhance them and reduce cyno, not sure about diatoms as I never have issues with them which could be down to the use of Oxydator's but I can't say.

 

[atoll]

People seem to dilute to between 6-12% I started at 6% saw no issues so upped it to 12% where I am now, with 2 catalysts, which seem to be as important as concentration as they dictate the rate of conversion to O2

I have conducted extensive research over the years on my tanks with various Oxydator's % peroxide and numbers of catalysts used. One thing I do recommend unless in extreme cases is that you do not exceed 12% peroxide and if possible no more than 9% which is what I use. Yes the number of catalyst will also dictate they amount of peroxide used.

 

[Ocean Lotion]

@Lasse I agree completely - When people are using fluconazole to kill algae in their reef tanks - when I tried to make the point that no one should be using a drug that may cause resistance to human illness causing 'fungi' I was greeted with scorn. I think using drugs to kill algae is a big problem. Yet you will see multiple threads on bryopsis and fluconazole, and other things with fembendazole.

After a 4 year battle with GHA I used fluconazole to rid my tank of it. I tried every biologiCal option but none worked. Fluconazole is a gift to reefers.

 

[sde1500]

@Lasse I agree completely - When people are using fluconazole to kill algae in their reef tanks - when I tried to make the point that no one should be using a drug that may cause resistance to human illness causing 'fungi' I was greeted with scorn. I think using drugs to kill algae is a big problem. Yet you will see multiple threads on bryopsis and fluconazole, and other things with fembendazole.

So what is your concern? Us dosing it causing negative side effects to us? Our reef? Because that method is quickly becoming very well tested and showing few negative effects.

 

[MnFish1]

So what is your concern? Us dosing it causing negative side effects to us? Our reef? Because that method is quickly becoming very well tested and showing few negative effects.

I dont really have a 'concern' - I just disagree with using medication for treating human illness in tanks because it can help cause resistant organisms. Since you asked my opinion - I'll give it - I think using these types of treatments work in the short term - maybe - but who knows what other long term damage is done to fish, inverts, other 'stuff' in the tank. Whats to keep it from recurring - if you don't correct the reason t was there in the first place? Slowly but surely, some strains of bryopsis will become resistant to fluconazole - and we're right back where we were. Philosophically I just dont agree with it. Disclosure - I have used Chemiclean - but I would not use fluconazole.

 

[Ocean Lotion]

I dont really have a 'concern' - I just disagree with using medication for treating human illness in tanks because it can help cause resistant organisms. Since you asked my opinion - I'll give it - I think using these types of treatments work in the short term - maybe - but who knows what other long term damage is done to fish, inverts, other 'stuff' in the tank. Whats to keep it from recurring - if you don't correct the reason t was there in the first place? Slowly but surely, some strains of bryopsis will become resistant to fluconazole - and we're right back where we were. Philosophically I just dont agree with it. Disclosure - I have used Chemiclean - but I would not use fluconazole.

I respect your right to your opinion.

 

[MnFish1]

I respect your right to your opinion.

Curious - Not wanting a debate - what is your opinion about my opinion lol

 

[Frogger]

So what is your concern? Us dosing it causing negative side effects to us? Our reef? Because that method is quickly becoming very well tested and showing few negative effects.

Fluconazole is a fungicide, likely broad spectrum fungicide. It kills fungi. Just like bacteria there are likely many beneficial fungi and fungi associations in your tank. Our tanks are hopefully a very complex and diversified. Using a fungicide will likely kill these beneficial fungi and fungi associations greatly reducing the bio-diversity in the tank. This will cause an imbalance in your tank which might lead to cyano, dinoflagellates or worse.

This fungicide kills bryopsis and hair algae which are not even fungi and do not likely have these fungi associations within them, what else is it killing?

Using a pesticide like this in your tank should be a last choice not a first choice. Other less damaging options should always be tried first such as lowering nutrients if nutrients are high, herbivores, manual removal, removing the rocks and treating with H2O2.

 

[MnFish1]

Fluconazole is a fungicide, likely broad spectrum fungicide. It kills fungi. Just like bacteria there are likely many beneficial fungi and fungi associations in your tank. Our tanks are hopefully a very complex and diversified. Using a fungicide will likely kill these beneficial fungi and fungi associations greatly reducing the bio-diversity in the tank. This will cause an imbalance in your tank which might lead to cyano, dinoflagellates or worse.

This fungicide kills bryopsis and hair algae which are not even fungi and do not likely have these fungi associations within them, what else is it killing?

Using a pesticide like this in your tank should be a last choice not a first choice. Other less damaging options should always be tried first such as lowering nutrients if nutrients are high, herbivores, manual removal, removing the rocks and treating with H2O2.

Fluconazole is also a medication given for fungal infections in humans.