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I asked my LFS the other day, and the guy kind of laughed at me, and said that any coral is fine with the proper precautions, then he went on to tell me that his zoa and palys have not yet caused his family to become poisoned by palytoxin, even after handling each without gloves. I’ll take that anecdotal evidence with a grain of salt; as I told him in my response, my anxiety levels are simply too high to risk something that could kill myself or my children if I made a stupid, rooky mistake. As a millennial, I am a person who researches heavily before committing to anything. I google absolutely anything to a point where it becomes borderline obsessive. With little success, this leads me to the question of:

I have two small children, one who is too young to trust that she will not to put her hands in the tank. I also have a dumb cat who is declawed and has the brain of a toddler (and that’s on a good day. Normally, my cat’s last two braincells are not working together enough for him to recall where his food bowl is always kept.) Needless to say, the forces are working against me, and there simply is no amount of lecture that will teach my toddler or my cat to keep their chubby little paws out of the tank, for now at least.

I know that bacteria is a thing, so I have taken proper precautions… my tank lid is on tight, but then again, my toddler is very avid in the search/seek/destroy department. But, the bacteria found in tank water are not my main concern. I have wondered what corals would be “family safe.” I am new to this hobby, so please correct me if I am wrong, but I have researched fairly thoroughly, and I have found that duncans are safe and nonaggressive. Further research tells me that pulsing xenia is fine, as well as candy cane coral. Favites may be okay, but I’ve read that fava (sp?) can produce toxins that cause burns. Anything else similar to these? For instance, any types of nonzoa or nonpaly mushroom coral?

Does anyone have any other suggestions that are tried and true for coral that can burn/sting (as most do) but will not kill you or your family if you accidently touch your face or handle other objects after handling the coral? I am interested. Obviously, I will wear gloves, but I am someone with anxiety, so I would like to know before I commit.

Please no “don’t join the hobby if you are afraid of the risks” or “you’re more likely to be hit by a bus than be poisoned by blank” responses… those types of replies are simply entirely unhelpful and truly condescending. Consider that people can want to love and join a hobby for their mental health’s sake while also having a family that they want to protect at all costs.
 

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I’m sorry for your education and experience that have taught you to be taught about everything.

I would like to know what light and tank and circulation pumps you use for coral habitat? I would like to help you succeed and I think you will be successful!
 

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I have two young kids as well. My daughter is 4 and she’s on the spectrum. She likes to dip her hands in the tank to lick saltwater off her fingers. She’s fine. Healthy as a horse. I’m a molecular biologist and I am not worried and I keep all the corals that people worry about.

Corals that are easy to keep and don’t release toxins: acans, blastomussa, Duncans, Yuma mushrooms, clove polyps, green star polyps, cespitularia, and many others.
 
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I’m sorry for your education and experience that have taught you to be taught about everything.

I would like to know what light and tank and circulation pumps you use for coral habitat? I would like to help you succeed and I think you will be successful!
Lol I am sorry for my generation's need-to-know attitude about everything, too. I attribute it to possibly half of the anxiety level that I experience on a daily basis. I will say, though, that my desire to be educated about everything may be what drove me to my masters degree in education. :)

So, I have a 32.5 gallon tank, though it is probably only filled to 30 gallons. The light is an adjustable full-spectrum LED light that came with the tank that has anywhere between 100-220 PAR, per the manufacturer, depending on the proximity of the sand and live rock to the lights. My sand bed is about 2 inches in depth, and I have 16-18lbs of rock that would put any coral situated on the rock at about 1/4 at the lowest to 2/3rds at the highest towards the light. I am not sure what the true PAR is at any point in the tank because I have not rented a device to measure. I run the blue shades of lighting for about 10 hours, with an hour warm up and an hour cool down period. I have the filter that came with the tank. I want to say that it is a Fluval Flex tank. Here is a picture of my set up.
 

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I have two young kids as well. My daughter is 4 and she’s on the spectrum. She likes to dip her hands in the tank to lick saltwater off her fingers. She’s fine. Healthy as a horse. I’m a molecular biologist and I am not worried and I keep all the corals that people worry about.

Corals that are easy to keep and don’t release toxins: acans, blastomussa, Duncans, Yuma mushrooms, clove polyps, green star polyps, cespitularia, and many others.
Thank you for this. Really does put my momma-mind at ease! I will look into each of these!
 

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Start with some mushrooms, Yuma’s come in many brilliant colors and thrive in low or high light.

I heard a NOAA seminar last week and the presentation mentioned that many young people and young students have been exposed to so much climate doom and gloom that they are reporting higher levels of anxiety in younger cohorts. I feel bad for the education that has been put upon young folks. It’s not fair nor honest to put all these stresses upon people and it can’t improve their lives or decisions, imo.

I am a trained scientist and I personally observed the scientific literature being purged from the shelves of a university library and the only thing that returned was literature that promoted Global Warming, Climate Change and historic knowledge was gone from the book racks. Same Change has been happening online, with knowledge hidden behind a paywall or redacted?

I never thought that it would happen here but it has/is.
 

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I just raised a kid and am raising another whose almost 1, my reef tank is right off the living room. I have zero fear of my family or myself getting sick. I have been keeping reefs over 20 years.

You can keep any of these safely

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But not these palythoa grandis
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The big green ring ones have palytoxin. These heads are 1-1.5” each. I grew this out from 6 polyps and it’s over 50 now. Completely safe if you don’t touch it. I picked a spot and never moved it. Now, even that is overly careful. Palytoxin is inside it. Your only real danger would be if you cut it to frag it, boil it, damage it in some way then touch your eyes or mouth. It’s not just sitting around poisoning my tank. But, I still don’t touch it. anything I showed is safe, just skip over palythoa grandis. Zoa are harmless, it’s certain palythoa that have palytoxin. And some palythoa resemble ugly Zoas

I just fragged zoa the other day. No gloves no goggles no fear. Xacto knife snd superglue. Super easy, no worries.


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I asked my LFS the other day, and the guy kind of laughed at me, and said that any coral is fine with the proper precautions, then he went on to tell me that his zoa and palys have not yet caused his family to become poisoned by palytoxin, even after handling each without gloves. I’ll take that anecdotal evidence with a grain of salt; as I told him in my response, my anxiety levels are simply too high to risk something that could kill myself or my children if I made a stupid, rooky mistake. As a millennial, I am a person who researches heavily before committing to anything. I google absolutely anything to a point where it becomes borderline obsessive. With little success, this leads me to the question of:

I have two small children, one who is too young to trust that she will not to put her hands in the tank. I also have a dumb cat who is declawed and has the brain of a toddler (and that’s on a good day. Normally, my cat’s last two braincells are not working together enough for him to recall where his food bowl is always kept.) Needless to say, the forces are working against me, and there simply is no amount of lecture that will teach my toddler or my cat to keep their chubby little paws out of the tank, for now at least.

I know that bacteria is a thing, so I have taken proper precautions… my tank lid is on tight, but then again, my toddler is very avid in the search/seek/destroy department. But, the bacteria found in tank water are not my main concern. I have wondered what corals would be “family safe.” I am new to this hobby, so please correct me if I am wrong, but I have researched fairly thoroughly, and I have found that duncans are safe and nonaggressive. Further research tells me that pulsing xenia is fine, as well as candy cane coral. Favites may be okay, but I’ve read that fava (sp?) can produce toxins that cause burns. Anything else similar to these? For instance, any types of nonzoa or nonpaly mushroom coral?

Does anyone have any other suggestions that are tried and true for coral that can burn/sting (as most do) but will not kill you or your family if you accidently touch your face or handle other objects after handling the coral? I am interested. Obviously, I will wear gloves, but I am someone with anxiety, so I would like to know before I commit.

Please no “don’t join the hobby if you are afraid of the risks” or “you’re more likely to be hit by a bus than be poisoned by blank” responses… those types of replies are simply entirely unhelpful and truly condescending. Consider that people can want to love and join a hobby for their mental health’s sake while also having a family that they want to protect at all costs.

You're over thinking it.

Unless your kids are going to pluck corals out of the tank and start eating them they'll be fine.
 

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You're over thinking it.

Unless your kids are going to pluck corals out of the tank and start eating them they'll be fine.
Completely agree. and even then probably an upset stomach and not a huge deal. Unless it’s palythoa grandis

Here what I did. I bought magnetic kitchen cabinet locks and put them in my tank cabinet doors to keep my kids from going in the sump when I’m not looking

Solid polycarbonare lid has saved me many times from things accidentally getting in the tank. The tank lid is out of reach of my daughter whose 8. And now she has such an enjoyment of the tanks critters and corals, she’s at an age where I can teach her responsibilities and she knows not to get a stool and open the lid and reach in.
 
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You're over thinking it.

Unless your kids are going to pluck corals out of the tank and start eating them they'll be fine.
But that’s the thing about my toddler, I cannot trust that she won’t pluck up some corals and do something silly… lol I mean she hasn’t put her hand in the tank so far, but ever since I set it up, I’ve had to monitor it so that she doesn’t lift the lid to put her lil cherub fingers in. I know the logic and reason and understand it, but anxiety doesn’t really have any logical reasoning behind it when you’ve got a toddler like mine who searches and seeks and destroys lol
 
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But that’s the thing about my toddler, I cannot trust that she won’t pluck up some corals and do something silly… lol I mean she hasn’t put her hand in the tank so far, but ever since I set it up, I’ve had to monitor it so that she doesn’t lift the lid to put her lil cherub fingers in. I know the logic and reason and understand it, but anxiety doesn’t really have any logical reasoning behind it when you’ve got a toddler like mine who searches and seeks and destroys lol
Also, that’s not to say that I don’t watch my kids. I have a constant eye on them, but kids are quick. Also, I can’t be home with my cat 24/7, who may also put a hand in the tank haha
 

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Also, that’s not to say that I don’t watch my kids. I have a constant eye on them, but kids are quick. Also, I can’t be home with my cat 24/7, who may also put a hand in the tank haha
Totally get it.

Ok. So you have a lid. What kind? You gonnna want a polycarb lid and not mesh. Two reasons.
1) Mesh will allow substance into the tank, and can be picked apart by cats and toddlers. If you don’t have a plexi or polycarb lid. Get one. If you need one, I know a guy that custom makes them. Cheap too.

2) with polycarbonate you can attach this

Overboard ? Sure. Secure? Peace of mind? Absolutely
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Then for the cabinet doors

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Tank is now on lockdown. Combination lock for lid. Magnetic key for the sump/cabinet.

Peace of mind achieved. Security and safety ensured
 

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Totally get it.

Ok. So you have a lid. What kind? You gonnna want a polycarb lid and not mesh. Two reasons.
1) Mesh will allow substance into the tank, and can be picked apart by cats and toddlers. If you don’t have a plexi or polycarb lid. Get one. If you need one, I know a guy that custom makes them. Cheap too.

2) with polycarbonate you can attach this

Overboard ? Sure. Secure? Peace of mind? Absolutely
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Then for the cabinet doors

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Tank is now on lockdown. Combination lock for lid. Magnetic key for the sump/cabinet.

Peace of mind achieved. Security and safety ensured
This is a really smart idea! I’ll chime in with some others and say start with some beginner coral, toadstools, mushrooms, Duncan’s and candy canes are some good options. All are safe, easy to keep, and grow well
 

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This is my polycarb lid from

I chose to add (at no charge) the feeding ports and the vents at the rear for gas exchange. He will customize the lid however you want. Bonus - cuts down on evaporation and keeps salinity more stable

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Do you have a fluval flex 32g? Looks like he already has made them before and has it as an item in the store


You can start with the stock lid he has designs for and customize with him however you want

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Totally get it.

Ok. So you have a lid. What kind? You gonnna want a polycarb lid and not mesh. Two reasons.
1) Mesh will allow substance into the tank, and can be picked apart by cats and toddlers. If you don’t have a plexi or polycarb lid. Get one. If you need one, I know a guy that custom makes them. Cheap too.

2) with polycarbonate you can attach this

Overboard ? Sure. Secure? Peace of mind? Absolutely
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Then for the cabinet doors

66143565-FCDD-4888-86C4-9EB7E232461F.png



Tank is now on lockdown. Combination lock for lid. Magnetic key for the sump/cabinet.

Peace of mind achieved. Security and safety ensured
Hey, this is awesome, though! I would’ve never thought of putting child locks on there!! Thanks!!
 
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This is my polycarb lid from

I chose to add (at no charge) the feeding ports and the vents at the rear for gas exchange. He will customize the lid however you want. Bonus - cuts down on evaporation and keeps salinity more stable

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Do you have a fluval flex 32g? Looks like he already has made them before and has it as an item in the store


You can start with the stock lid he has designs for and customize with him however you want

C336ED89-BB75-4791-906B-0E0370DDA356.jpeg
This is really cool! I do have a Flex. I’ll have to check his products out.
 
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I just raised a kid and am raising another whose almost 1, my reef tank is right off the living room. I have zero fear of my family or myself getting sick. I have been keeping reefs over 20 years.

You can keep any of these safely

BF09E650-2CAA-40AC-9D95-03E1AE049848.jpeg

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But not these palythoa grandis
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The big green ring ones have palytoxin. These heads are 1-1.5” each. I grew this out from 6 polyps and it’s over 50 now. Completely safe if you don’t touch it. I picked a spot and never moved it. Now, even that is overly careful. Palytoxin is inside it. Your only real danger would be if you cut it to frag it, boil it, damage it in some way then touch your eyes or mouth. It’s not just sitting around poisoning my tank. But, I still don’t touch it. anything I showed is safe, just skip over palythoa grandis. Zoa are harmless, it’s certain palythoa that have palytoxin. And some palythoa resemble ugly Zoas

I just fragged zoa the other day. No gloves no goggles no fear. Xacto knife snd superglue. Super easy, no worries.


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Your tank is beautiful! Thank you for the recommendations!
 

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Your tank is beautiful! Thank you for the recommendations!
Thank you! And you’re welcome! Just went though this once a few years ago and have a new baby and am already prepped for round 2

My fear was my kids harming the tank, instead of the tank hurting them, but the protection is the same either way —> keep them out of it.

Good luck! With a few precautions I think your mind will be at ease, and tank and family protected

Also good tips - you can get long tongs/grabbers to pick things up in the tank without putting your hand in, and you can get long disposable elbow length gloves on Amazon, I think they are for drs/vets
 

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I asked my LFS the other day, and the guy kind of laughed at me, and said that any coral is fine with the proper precautions, then he went on to tell me that his zoa and palys have not yet caused his family to become poisoned by palytoxin, even after handling each without gloves. I’ll take that anecdotal evidence with a grain of salt; as I told him in my response, my anxiety levels are simply too high to risk something that could kill myself or my children if I made a stupid, rooky mistake. As a millennial, I am a person who researches heavily before committing to anything. I google absolutely anything to a point where it becomes borderline obsessive. With little success, this leads me to the question of:

I have two small children, one who is too young to trust that she will not to put her hands in the tank. I also have a dumb cat who is declawed and has the brain of a toddler (and that’s on a good day. Normally, my cat’s last two braincells are not working together enough for him to recall where his food bowl is always kept.) Needless to say, the forces are working against me, and there simply is no amount of lecture that will teach my toddler or my cat to keep their chubby little paws out of the tank, for now at least.

I know that bacteria is a thing, so I have taken proper precautions… my tank lid is on tight, but then again, my toddler is very avid in the search/seek/destroy department. But, the bacteria found in tank water are not my main concern. I have wondered what corals would be “family safe.” I am new to this hobby, so please correct me if I am wrong, but I have researched fairly thoroughly, and I have found that duncans are safe and nonaggressive. Further research tells me that pulsing xenia is fine, as well as candy cane coral. Favites may be okay, but I’ve read that fava (sp?) can produce toxins that cause burns. Anything else similar to these? For instance, any types of nonzoa or nonpaly mushroom coral?

Does anyone have any other suggestions that are tried and true for coral that can burn/sting (as most do) but will not kill you or your family if you accidently touch your face or handle other objects after handling the coral? I am interested. Obviously, I will wear gloves, but I am someone with anxiety, so I would like to know before I commit.

Please no “don’t join the hobby if you are afraid of the risks” or “you’re more likely to be hit by a bus than be poisoned by blank” responses… those types of replies are simply entirely unhelpful and truly condescending. Consider that people can want to love and join a hobby for their mental health’s sake while also having a family that they want to protect at all costs.
mushrooms are pretty safe. Or maybe planted macro algea tank.
 

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