Jeabo, is it worth it?

[Justin84]

Jeabo does have some big returns. DCP 18000 does 4700 GPH with a max head height of 30’. So it does move a lot of water a good distance. It’s just something I’m kicking around because as of right now the Abyzz is a few pennies out of my league. Just blew my piggy bank budget on the new apex and additional goodies to go along with it. But then again my Reeflo isn’t broke and I have a NIB one on the shelf so is it worth it...

 

[ruppertb]

I have similar setup and have been thinking about using the same pump. Currently use a mag 18 or 20 and it works great just would like more turnover.

 

[Forsaken77]

Jeabo does have some big returns. DCP 18000 does 4700 GPH with a max head height of 30’. So it does move a lot of water a good distance. It’s just something I’m kicking around because as of right now the Abyzz is a few pennies out of my league. Just blew my piggy bank budget on the new apex and additional goodies to go along with it. But then again my Reeflo isn’t broke and I have a NIB one on the shelf so is it worth it...

Lol, there's a big difference between an Abyzz pump and a Jebao/Jecod pump . You can always give the Jebao a shot first to see how it works out, being it's an affordable option. But I would guess, by what others said, that too much stress on those pumps would limit their life expectancy. No first hand experience, just what I've heard from others over time.

Why buy the pump if you already have one? Is it external and you want internal? Could always give the Ecotech L1 a look, being it's a good pump between the Abyzz and Jebao. I think it's right there with the ratings of the Jebao you mentioned.

I was recently looking for a submersible pump with high head to split two 1" returns through two separate UV's on the way back to the 180 tank. So I know the DC options for high head pumps. Aside of Abyzz, which is outta my league, is Ecotech L1, Varios-8, and the large Sunpole by AquaMaxx (which is a cheaper option). There's also Deepwater Aquatics. They have some large pumps with a nice lcd screen controller.

 

[Justin84]

Oh I completely understand there is a big difference when it comes to the quality of an Abyzz and a Jeabo and you may be right about the pressure being too much. Ecotech L1 doesn’t have the GPH at the head height nor does the Varios 8. I’m looking for about 2500-3000 @ 14+ feet. I don’t really want to use it as a internal pump either. I will check out the others however.

 

[wangspeed]

I have had really good success with all the Jebao pumps that I’ve run. Haven’t tried the new 36V pumps like the 18000 though.

If you want something that’s kinda in between, I’m using a SICCE SDC Sandra 9.0 to pump from my basement up to my upstairs sump for water changes. I really like the Wi-Fi feature and it’s rated to pump higher than most DC pumps. The drawback is that it’s not as quiet as some of the ones out there like the RO Varios line, which is dead near silent. I’m sure it’s quieter than any big AC pump though. I hated using a Iwaki 55RLT with this exact same plumbing. It didn’t even pump as much water, but made so much noise.

 

[mtraylor]

I always follow these threads because I was wanting to replace my dart with a reliable return dc pump. My reasoning is not power, because most DC pumps above 3000gph really don't give that much power savings for the money TBO over a dart, but most of them are dead silent....so that is why I was looking at them. My reef in in my living room.

In reading the feed back here, you are not going to get the reliability that you already have now. The verdict is out. The pump I was recently looking at was Current USA eFlux DC Flow Pump and it did not get the love that I was hoping it would get as well. As others have said, if you get 2 of them, that will reduce the pressure of having to rely on it. Make sure your apex will tell you immediately when you have a problem should it fail.

Heck even the 2 top dog DC pumps that cost around 2K, which I refuse to pay have had allot of issues as well. I followed that thread here as well. Lots of over heating isssues and replacements on the Abyzz. They seems to get it worked out in the thread but wow.....for that much money. The same thread had some reviews of the red dragon as well and they seemed fairly well, but then again you almost at 2k.

I would probably stay where you are at if it was me. Obviously that is what I have done. I think I will wait a few more years to see what comes out and what improvements have been made in reliability. Most of the DC pumps that people are using successfully are being used at around 30 to 60% power for effective long term use. That includes the big boys as well. From what I read, it keeps them running quit, cool, and without issues.

So if you were to go DC. I would recommend running 2 dual DC pumps on your system both rated to run entire tank and manifolds if one has to run on their own and plumb the system so both can share the load and if one fails you can ball valve the broken one off and let the other take over until you get the replacement. May want to have at least 3 of the pumps for this layout. 2 running and 1 backup. I think you will get longevity out of that configuration. I don t have room for that design right now, but will go that way when I do go DC return.

 

[jt17]

Had one Jaboe eturn pump last a year and a half. The second one lasted just under 2 years. Not reliable enough for me. I replaced it with a vectra L1 that worked much better.

 

[theMeat]

Jebao is reliable

For an application as you describe you need a pump that is high pressure rated . Like Iwaki, or panworld.

If you don’t what will happen is it will work fine for 6-12 months, then flow will be greatly reduced through wear and crud build up because you’re operating close to the top of it’s performance rating. I have found this to be true for any and all dc pumps.
And a FYI, FWIW, pretty much all manufactures, ac or dc, exaggerate their products output, aside from maybe eheim

Save money now, and have to buy a better pump later, or buy an adequate pump now, and do it once. Been there, done that

 

[Daniel92481]

I have been using a Jebao wavemaker for about 4 months now in my lagoon 25. So far, so good. I do plan on upgrading to an Mp10 though for battery backup reasons, along with more precise controllability. Hopefully as I’m writing this post, it didn’t decide to crap out on me haha. ;Nailbiting

 

[Justin84]

I thought about the whole running dual DC pumps just because I want the control aspect but I’m not sure as to how well that would work. If I were to go DC it would be external so I don’t think I’d have too many issues with heat building in the tank and also I’m looking for that max head with max GPH because honestly I only need 1800-2000 to keep in that 6-9x turnover rate. I have 2 separate tanks in one sump (one being 60g and the other being 220g) My Reeflo performs without question and being in the basement is quiet. I’m seeing a lot of mixed feelings towards the Jeabo and the ones I see that are negative are due to reliability issues at max power. I’m hoping that if I went that route and got the big one that I would be running approx 60%. Maybe I’ll get one and see what happens and keep my Reeflo as a backup

 

[Clownfish2]

I have been using Jebao return pumps for the past year and a half. Recently, I modified my plumbing and now have 2 independent return pumps with 2 independent overflows. With redundancy of 2 pumps, the brand of pump no longer matters to me. If one fails and I am not home, the other one keeps pumping until I get back. Problem solved.

 

[Forsaken77]

I didn't realize you had THAT much head pressure (must've missed it somewhere). I don't think any DC pump will work in that situation.

 

[Justin84]

I know the Abyzz pump (medium size 4400 GPH) and the Jeabo DCT 10000 can push that kind of water.

 

[ca1ore]

Depends on how you judge reliable I suppose. I routinely get a decade out of my return pumps; in one case two decades. Jebao are not likely to be reliable like that. I always judge reliability in the context of importance. If a piece of equipment is really important, or its going wrong could materially degrade the tank, I don't risk cheap. So I would not use something like a Jebao for my return pump nor for my doser, but I would and have used their powerheads.

 

[ca1ore]

I thought about the whole running dual DC pumps just because I want the control aspect but I’m not sure as to how well that would work. If I were to go DC it would be external so I don’t think I’d have too many issues with heat building in the tank and also I’m looking for that max head with max GPH because honestly I only need 1800-2000 to keep in that 6-9x turnover rate. I have 2 separate tanks in one sump (one being 60g and the other being 220g) My Reeflo performs without question and being in the basement is quiet. I’m seeing a lot of mixed feelings towards the Jeabo and the ones I see that are negative are due to reliability issues at max power. I’m hoping that if I went that route and got the big one that I would be running approx 60%. Maybe I’ll get one and see what happens and keep my Reeflo as a backup

I would think you'd be hard pressed to find a better option than a Reeflo for a basement sump where sound is mostly academic. I totally get the DC craze for an in stand sump and the lack of noise; but otherwise I really do not see the appeal. I've been thinking about bigger options for my basement sump as the best I can get out of my PW200 is 1,325 gph. OK for my tank, but the chiller would appreciate more flow. Not a long list of reliable options for 15' feet of head pressure.

 

[Gungo]

Jebao DCP pumps are just way out of their price.. I don't understand how such a good product is so cheap! been using returns, wavemakers and dosing pump since day 1 and no problem at all.. Would recommend them for sure! buy with eyes closed!!

 

[Justin84]

I would think you'd be hard pressed to find a better option than a Reeflo for a basement sump where sound is mostly academic. I totally get the DC craze for an in stand sump and the lack of noise; but otherwise I really do not see the appeal. I've been thinking about bigger options for my basement sump as the best I can get out of my PW200 is 1,325 gph. OK for my tank, but the chiller would appreciate more flow. Not a long list of reliable options for 15' feet of head pressure.

Yeah it was never about sound but more of control. But I guess on and off with an Apex is control. I do have a small Jeabo pump in my seahorse tank now that’s got a year on it and so far I’ve never questioned it. But maybe there’s something to be said between 65 gal tank that the return travels about 4’ versus 280 gal with an additional 125 gallons of sump and refugium volume that has to move from my basement floor to 5’ off a concrete floor... I’m all about reliability but was just pondering a slight change up.

 

[Justin84]

Would like to see some other basement sump setups! See what others use for pumps! Of course I just like seeing tanks and the awesome mechanics of the tanks!!

 

[jda]

They are cheap because they steal patents, intellectual property and other companies R&D. Coralife, EcoTech, Royal Exclusiv, Tunze and the other real American/EU companies pay the price for what you are getting cheap from China.

Keep your sequence/ReeFlo - although I have never gotten even two years out of one without a motor catching on fire or a seal leaking, they are still on a different level. When it goes out again, look to Iwaki, Panworld or Ampmaster makes the best pumps on the market and will even guarantee their seals if you buy saltwater ones. Ampmaster is not the cheapest, but I have one that I ran for 14 years and even though it just moves water now for water changes, it runs like it was brand new. I got it in 1999, I think.

 

[ksed]

I always follow these threads because I was wanting to replace my dart with a reliable return dc pump. My reasoning is not power, because most DC pumps above 3000gph really don't give that much power savings for the money TBO over a dart, but most of them are dead silent....so that is why I was looking at them. My reef in in my living room.

In reading the feed back here, you are not going to get the reliability that you already have now. The verdict is out. The pump I was recently looking at was Current USA eFlux DC Flow Pump and it did not get the love that I was hoping it would get as well. As others have said, if you get 2 of them, that will reduce the pressure of having to rely on it. Make sure your apex will tell you immediately when you have a problem should it fail.

Heck even the 2 top dog DC pumps that cost around 2K, which I refuse to pay have had allot of issues as well. I followed that thread here as well. Lots of over heating isssues and replacements on the Abyzz. They seems to get it worked out in the thread but wow.....for that much money. The same thread had some reviews of the red dragon as well and they seemed fairly well, but then again you almost at 2k.

I would probably stay where you are at if it was me. Obviously that is what I have done. I think I will wait a few more years to see what comes out and what improvements have been made in reliability. Most of the DC pumps that people are using successfully are being used at around 30 to 60% power for effective long term use. That includes the big boys as well. From what I read, it keeps them running quit, cool, and without issues.

So if you were to go DC. I would recommend running 2 dual DC pumps on your system both rated to run entire tank and manifolds if one has to run on their own and plumb the system so both can share the load and if one fails you can ball valve the broken one off and let the other take over until you get the replacement. May want to have at least 3 of the pumps for this layout. 2 running and 1 backup. I think you will get longevity out of that configuration. I don t have room for that design right now, but will go that way when I do go DC return.

Are you able to share the link where the Abyzz have been having heat issues?