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8750 predator Inverter generator- $1200, micro-air 368 soft start - $370. Running whole home with a 4 ton unit AND having a portable genny instead of a permanently installed genny @ $10k plus……priceless. Seriously can’t figure out how more people don’t know about soft starters.
 

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I have a Caterpillar rp5500, it runs the tank and house a/c(3.5 ton), fridge, microwave, everything except oven and water heater. Gives about 15 hours of runtime on 5 gallons. That said, an inverter generator is the safe bet for sensitive equipment. It makes a clean sine wave output. With a traditional generator, the hz corresponds to engine rpm. I lost a ceiling fan and a grye pump when initially setting the engine rpm to my load. Any brushless or 3 phase motor is is susceptible to damage if the hz is too high(70hz or mor)
Utility company supplies power with 0 THD’s (total harmonic distortion). Regular genny pushes 15-20% THD’s, which burns up sensitive electronics and small motors like exhaust fans etc. inverter genny puts out less than 3% THD’s. Every time a heavy load starts up a regular genny accelerates and fluctuates the frequency (Hz) and wreaks havoc on sensitive devices.
 

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8750 predator Inverter generator- $1200, micro-air 368 soft start - $370. Running whole home with a 4 ton unit AND having a portable genny instead of a permanently installed genny @ $10k plus……priceless. Seriously can’t figure out how more people don’t know about soft starters.
I didn't know about these soft starters.. I kind of lucked out with the a/c.. I have a 16 seer unit that has a variable displacement compressor that uses 2 capacitors. It basically starts up at half capacity, unless you crank the temperature down by 3 or more degrees. I was considering piggybacking 2 of the honda inverter generators for 6000w @240v. Would like to see them come out with 5k watt units to piggyback if I were to upgrade. I would be scared that the inverter type will by too easy to damage by accidental overloading. Regular generator will just stall or bog down
 

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I didn't know about these soft starters.. I kind of lucked out with the a/c.. I have a 16 seer unit that has a variable displacement compressor that uses 2 capacitors. It basically starts up at half capacity, unless you crank the temperature down by 3 or more degrees. I was considering piggybacking 2 of the honda inverter generators for 6000w @240v. Would like to see them come out with 5k watt units to piggyback if I were to upgrade. I would be scared that the inverter type will by too easy to damage by accidental overloading. Regular generator will just stall or bog down
The soft start is almost the same thing. It cutss in-rush current by up to 70% by bringing compressor up to speed slowly instead of instantly which is what bogs down a genny. Took my inrush current down to about 30-40A from 119A. I don’t worry about overload as they’re protected by onboard over current devices. I personally went with an inverter genny because I also wanted to run my furnace in the event of power outage during the winter.
 

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8750 predator Inverter generator- $1200, micro-air 368 soft start - $370. Running whole home with a 4 ton unit AND having a portable genny instead of a permanently installed genny @ $10k plus……priceless. Seriously can’t figure out how more people don’t know about soft starters.
Didn't catch that the first time... 1200 for a 8750w inverter generator isn't bad at all! I think I paid 700 for the CAT. might be a good time to turn the back up into the back up for the back up.
I adjusted the idle up a little so it can absorb the extra load without bogging(you still hear it hiccup), but if it's too high, when it kicks off the engine speed is too high and hz go too high. Took a pump and fan. APC unit didn't catch that. It would switch when the load kick on with a hiccup, but not off. I found the balance to be between 58-63 hz(load on/off) and minimal bog. 8750 might eat my load without a bog, and be clean power...
 

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Didn't catch that the first time... 1200 for a 8750w inverter generator isn't bad at all! I think I paid 700 for the CAT. might be a good time to turn the back up into the back up for the back up.
I adjusted the idle up a little so it can absorb the extra load without bogging(you still hear it hiccup), but if it's too high, when it kicks off the engine speed is too high and hz go too high. Took a pump and fan. APC unit didn't catch that. It would switch when the load kick on with a hiccup, but not off. I found the balance to be between 58-63 hz(load on/off) and minimal bog. 8750 might eat my load without a bog, and be clean power...
I’m in the middle of brainstorming an ATS since my genny has an electric starter. It’ll act as both a standby genny and a portable genny.
 

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Every time I see the title of this thread pop up I can’t help but to hear this song. I wonder why?
(Won’t you sing along and replace the word “operator” with “generator”!)

 

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I’m in the middle of brainstorming an ATS since my genny has an electric starter. It’ll act as both a standby genny and a portable genny.
I would imagine any automatic transfer switch will work. use a spdt relay that's always on so when it turns off it closes to the other contact, triggering the starter
 

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While gas generators are great for long outages. If your outage is measured in hours not days, I use a Ecoflow DeltaMax (Lithium Power center) that runs my main pump and My controller for about 15 hours. It is always plugged in (and can hook to solar) and switches over to the lithium battery automatically.

Something else to consider, although the cash outlay is higher.
Same here. I also have the massive expansion batteries if needed, and the generator. But Japan has an incredible power grid, I’ve never lost power not even during typhoons. Most Japanese have never experienced a power outage.
 

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Looking for recommendations on what kind generator (brand, size, wattage) to have for your aquarium(s) in the event of a power outage? It’s been out for 9 hours and they aren’t sure when it will be restored in my area. So I need to buy one now before things get worse. Thanks!
We bought a generac 16,000 generator - plumbed with natural gas. The cost - about $5000 installed. Luckily we had easy location to a gas line (near our grill). It powers most of the important circuits in the house that are important (like refrigerators, stove, freezers, and of course the tanks) - and also starts automatically (which is important when one is on vacation, etc).

I would consider, though - considering the purchase of a battery which uses your home electricity to charge - then provides power when the power goes off - they can be pricey - but if I had it to do over again - thats the route I would go.
 

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Same here. I also have the massive expansion batteries if needed, and the generator. But Japan has an incredible power grid, I’ve never lost power not even during typhoons. Most Japanese have never experienced a power outage.
Most Japanese that do not live in the tidal zone:)
 

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10000 watt generator costs as much as a small car

do I select the highest octane rating to be ethanol free?
Lowest octane rating. High octane is for high compression. It is a total waste (in any engine or car) that is not specifically design to run it. Those of you who “run the good stuff” when the manual allows lower octane, are burning money for no reason.
 

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I have owned and used countless portable generators. I would never purchase anything but a Honda for home or commercial use. They are reliable, quiet and extremely well made. The harbor freight knock offs are not even close to being in the same class. Most of the other brands are import, regardless of the name. The smaller and cheaper Briggs and Tecumseh engines are kinda bad these days.

Hondas are expensive, but will last a lifetime and start every time. I suggest for aquarium use, a small Honda inverter. It will run the tank, a Fridge, deep freeze and other misc stuff. Buy two if you need more output, not one large one. This give you redundancy, easier storage, starting, portability, etc.

For whole house standby, I would steer clear of Generac. Kohler is a much better air cooled residential standby product for only marginally more money. If water cooled is in the budget, then don’t hesitate to go that route. Again Kohler is best bang for the buck in residential water cooled.
 

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If you have a $5000 or more tank - the price of a generator that covers you in all situations (i.e. home or not) - automatic - is worth it imho
 
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Lowest octane rating. High octane is for high compression. It is a total waste (in any engine or car) that is not specifically design to run it. Those of you who “run the good stuff” when the manual allows lower octane, are burning money for no reason.
There are other options - I would opt for battery storage (today) - whereas I opted for a plumbed natural gas genertor - a year or so ago. Of course - While my neighbors lost 100's of dollars of refrigerated/frozen stuff - we did not.
 

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I am not (at all) a fan of battery storage. I have pretty extensive background in power backup systems, both small scale (home, servers, small business) as well as large (data center).

Batteries are big, heavy, costly, have a limited lifespan and extremely dangerous in high current configurations and have a finite runtime based on load . Good inverters and charging systems are very expensive. Most setups don’t due well with square wave or inductive loads and don’t do well with high inrush current switching.

FWIW we only use battery backup in most situations to hold the load for the few seconds it takes the generator to start and come up to speed.

Even at small scale, I would take a small lightweight Honda.

If batteries work for you that is great. Certainly not my first choice or what I would advise in most situations.
 

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I would imagine any automatic transfer switch will work. use a spdt relay that's always on so when it turns off it closes to the other contact, triggering the starter
I have an affordable one in mind. The controls are a lil involved. Starter has to be on auto timer after trigger. There are a ton of options and I’m exploring most affordable and simplest options. There are generator controllers but they’re expensive. I’m still undecided if I wanna DIY or go with the typical generac type ATS’s.
 

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I have an affordable one in mind. The controls are a lil involved. Starter has to be on auto timer after trigger. There are a ton of options and I’m exploring most affordable and simplest options. There are generator controllers but they’re expensive. I’m still undecided if I wanna DIY or go with the typical generac type ATS’s.
What, does it need to hold the trigger to keep cranking until generator starts? Or more complicated than that?
 
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