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Dinoflagellates – Are You Tired Of Battling Altogether?
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This go around is worse than the first one. I have more strings and they are much longer. I'm going to reduce my light period to 4 hours per day and see if that helps any. I've had reef tanks since the early 90's. That was back when we were using trickle filters with plastic media. I'm not even sure that I tested for nitrates and phosphates. I hadn't heard of dinoflagellites until the last few years. It's frustrating but all I can do is keep plugging along.
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I think I too are going to wave the towel. Increased/consistent nutrients aren't doing the trick for me. But before that happens I think I'm going to throw everything in my arsenal at the tank. First 3 day black out with h202, then vibrant followed by Refresh and Waste Away.
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I think If I get ostreopsis again I will suicide myself
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Think I missed this...sorry! Let me know if any of my comments are now "dated".
This is not an unheard of link.
Were you monitoring N and P during this early time? Do you have any numbers from then you could post? (If it was all-zero's all the time, you can just say so. )
No doubt they were beginning to suffer for lack of nutrients. This is the same condition in many cases that triggers dino's to change their behavior and become more aggressive.
This sounds like you weren't doing anything for P at the time?
Salt shouldn't make a difference, although stability of your salinity as well as temperature can both make a difference to triggering your dino's to bloom.
Too much too fast for a tank that probably still had most of the same problems – lack of P is very, very bad.
Check out some of the posts on phosphates in the coral section on my blog:
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They never are gone – that was your gut talking to you! Keep listening.
It might even be true that the tank work be worse-off without them – we have no idea what role they play when they aren't blooming.
So the tank went through another bout of instability on at least a few fronts including starvation again (how stable is feeding?) – not totally surprising to see them come back.
Let me know if any of my comments are now "dated". This is not an unheard of link.
Were you monitoring N and P during this early time? Do you have any numbers from then you could post? (If it was all-zero's all the time, you can just say so.
)No doubt they were beginning to suffer for lack of nutrients. This is the same condition in many cases that triggers dino's to change their behavior and become more aggressive.
This sounds like you weren't doing anything for P at the time?
Salt shouldn't make a difference, although stability of your salinity as well as temperature can both make a difference to triggering your dino's to bloom.
Too much too fast for a tank that probably still had most of the same problems – lack of P is very, very bad.
Check out some of the posts on phosphates in the coral section on my blog:
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They never are gone – that was your gut talking to you!
Keep listening. It might even be true that the tank work be worse-off without them – we have no idea what role they play when they aren't blooming.
So the tank went through another bout of instability on at least a few fronts including starvation again (how stable is feeding?) – not totally surprising to see them come back.
- Stability is job one.
- Keep your doses small and regular.
- Make any changes to your dose small and infrequent. (see below)
- Test regularly and record your results in some kind of diary.
- Don't expect good results for at least a few weeks.
- Don't run out of patience for at least a month or two....things very often appear to get uglier before they get better.
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N and P dosing began around the first or second week of June. Growth was fairly consistent up until last thursday or friday. It appears to be in turbo mode now.
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Had ostreopsis ovata when I was running biopellets in a lightly stocked tank with pale corals. Tried everything from 5 day black-outs to dosing 3L H2O2 into a 200g tank. At the end I tried increasing the nutrients by having more fish and feeding more. Dino slowly went away. Never thought I'd have my tank back. Was about to quit. Now my tanks been thriving and colors are amazing. Ever since that I became a big believer of keeping things in the sump simple and have detectable nutrients at all time.
My initial assault was similar. Except no black out.I think I too are going to wave the towel. Increased/consistent nutrients aren't doing the trick for me. But before that happens I think I'm going to throw everything in my arsenal at the tank. First 3 day black out with h202, then vibrant followed by Refresh and Waste Away.
I used metroplex, vibrant, prodibo. Combined it changed how the strings formed, but didn't alter numbers.
I'd had success in past with ph swings. Not something I like doing but as I only had a toadstool left by this stage coral wise I thought I'd give it a whirl. It knocked them back. I'd say 98%. The calcium precipitation worked as an after effect smothering nee formed strings and continues to do so.
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Can you post or PM me a before/after set of pics? I believe you it's happening, I'm just curious to see what's growing and how it looks!!
Can you also remind me if you did other treatments like bleach, h2o2, algaefix, vibrant, chemiclean, etc, etc, etc before we got to this point? (I know I tried half those things before I did....thanks again to @robert and @Russ265 helping to connect the dots on this!!)
What did Robert and Russ do t connect dots Mcarroll.Can you post or PM me a before/after set of pics? I believe you it's happening, I'm just curious to see what's growing and how it looks!!
Can you also remind me if you did other treatments like bleach, h2o2, algaefix, vibrant, chemiclean, etc, etc, etc before we got to this point? (I know I tried half those things before I did....thanks again to @robert and @Russ265 helping to connect the dots on this!!)
This might be a shot in the dark now. If nutrient dosing is designed to feed organisms which have a predatory nature on dinoflagellates and encourage their growth, if you have no organisms left to multiply then the dosing nutrients may not achieve much.
Would it be worth then (whilst continuing to dose) add a piece of live rock/sand to hopefully introduce these beneficial ciliates and higher organisms.
What we could do with, is an inoculation process. Take and pass around water and sand from cured tanks. Try and pass on the good guys.
I ordered the "Refugium Starter Pack" from live-plants.com and tossed the live sand and macros into my refugium when I began dosing PO4 to help battle my dinos. I believe adding some biodiversity from the live sand and macros, plus increasing phosphates and adding pods and phytoplankton was the cure for my dinos. I agree with your statement... I believe it's possible to limit the diversity in our systems by starving things out and the benefits from jump starting the diversity through established sand/live rock additions seem to be paramount in defeating dinos.
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I haven't dosed anything but N and P. In fact, after making that post I had yo make sure I still had vibrant and some h202 lol.. BTW I'm a little tenacious. I did dose 3ml of h202 last night....Can you post or PM me a before/after set of pics? I believe you it's happening, I'm just curious to see what's growing and how it looks!!
So what kind of before then after pic you looking for? I posted these earlier. I would say this WAS after three days worth of growing. Now it gets like this during one day.
3ml of h202 imo isn't enough.I haven't dosed anything but N and P. In fact, after making that post I had yo make sure I still had vibrant and some h202 lol.. BTW I'm a little tenacious. I did dose 3ml of h202 last night....
So what kind of before then after pic you looking for? I posted these earlier. I would say this WAS after three days worth of growing. Now it gets like this during one day.
O3 will oxidise what it comes in contact with. That could be any organic from fish scales....so no guarentee it's hitting the cells. Osteo is practically immune to it as well (if that's your flavour). The armour is difficult to punch through. To give you an example in my second to last tank I incremented to see if I could find a kill level. Before it got to that Level where it would harm the cells it was also harmful to other creatures. I lost a hermit in the experiment.
That was around 200ml in 15 litres of salt water from memory.
So far com your pics your corals look ok. Mine were messed up by the strains I had.
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Point was to start small then increase.
Sometimes when we get to the restart or start over point, we tend not to care about the little things... Lol
Other corals are starting to show stress. Like I said, the dinos are going into turbo mode(overdrive)
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