Could we utilise the Redfield ratio a little better in aquaria?

[Hats_]

C is a abbreviation for the word Carbon

Tell me you don't know what your talking about without telling me you don't know what your talking about...

Were talking about the relation between nutrients N, P and ORGANIC carbon. Co2 has no part in this

 

[sixty_reefer]

Tell me you don't know what your talking about without telling me you don't know what your talking about...

Were talking about the relation between nutrients N, P and ORGANIC carbon. Co2 has no part in this

Ok

 

[areefer01]

Ask Randy if it’s the 3rd letter of the alphabet

I will pass as I believe that he has been more than patient with his replies to you in this thread and I don't want to waste his time further.

 

[sixty_reefer]

I will pass as I believe that he has been more than patient with his replies to you in this thread and I don't want to waste his time further.

Hopefully he could correct me on how Carbon Dioxide, bicarbonate and carbonate is not a part of Carbon.

 

[Hats_]

Hopefully he could correct me on how Carbon Dioxide, bicarbonate and carbonate is not a part of Carbon.

Because he has to do that? I just told you? Am i not credible enough for you or something?

 

[sixty_reefer]

Because he has to do that? I just told you? Am i not credible enough for you or something?

Isn't the answer obvious? Not being arrogant but there is limits.
Following your way of thought all N (nitrogen) must be organic also? And no forms of Inorganic in that group

 

[Hats_]

Isn't the answer obvious? Not being arrogant but there is limits.
Following your way of thought all N (nitrogen) must be organic also? And no forms of Inorganic in that group

Thats how biology works, so yes. Can i ask what your background is? I have a bachelors degree in marine science, so i would say i have a bit of a grasp on the topic. Trying not to sound arrogant btw

 

[sixty_reefer]

Thats how biology works, so yes. Can i ask what your background is? I have a bachelors degree in marine science, so i would say i have a bit of a grasp on the topic. Trying not to sound arrogant btw

Are you really saying all nitrogen is organic?

 

[Hats_]

Are you really saying all nitrogen is organic?

No? Don't try to twist my words, thats one thing i will not stand for

 

[sixty_reefer]

No? Don't try to twist my words, thats one thing i will not stand for

I wasn’t, I miss understood the yes part. No bad intent. Do you want to rectify if inorganic carbon is part of the carbon group? Again not trying to be arrogant

 

[Hats_]

I wasn’t, I miss understood the yes part. No bad intent

No worries, also i am curious if you have a response to @ReneReef s post on the previous page. Would be interested in your view on his counterargument

 

[sixty_reefer]

No worries, also i am curious if you have a response to @ReneReef s post on the previous page. Would be interested in your view on his counterargument

To which one? I had to stop replying to some to avoid spamming the conversation

 

[Hats_]

Why do you think Redfield may be applicable there?
Please provide some supporting evidence.

The following paper I linked earlier as supportive evidence for my point of view:

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www.researchgate.net

The paper shows:
1) the make up of heterotrophic bacteria do NOT adhere to the Redfield ratio
2) heterotrophic bacteria assimilate much more N than bacterial growth would predict
3) there is a large variation in the CNP demand among heterotrophic bacteria
4) main N-sources for heterotrophic bacteria are NOT nitrate, organic nitrogen plays a big role

So, I don't see any reason to think Redfield may be applicable to heterotrophic bacteria.
Let alone translating it to any practical application in the complex environment that is a reef aquarium.

@sixty_reefer this one

 

[ReneReef]

…avoid spamming the conversation

Don’t bother, on hindsight that ship sailed the moment this topic started.

 

[sixty_reefer]

@sixty_reefer this one

I don’t believe he actually downloaded the pdf file, hence there was no need to reply.
There is much of this discussion stated in those 18 pages.

 

[BeanAnimal]

 

[rtparty]

Love your persistence and tenacity to get that project to work

 

[sixty_reefer]

No worries, also i am curious if you have a response to @ReneReef s post on the previous page. Would be interested in your view on his counterargument

I’ll expand on this and we’ll end the conversation here.

As it’s getting tiresome

The answer to this is simple, being in the field you should have access to all the following molar ratios in balanced ecosystems from the data base, if they limited they can adapt and change the molar ratio as you know.

Flavobacteriaceae 16:1 N P
Pelagibacteraceae 16:1 N P
Rhodobacteraceae 16:1 N P
Vibrionaceae 16:1 N P
Alteromonadaceae 16:1 N P

The above is for this bacteria under balanced nutrient conditions.
They also are the top 5 bacteria’s identified in a aquabiomics typically sample just as a coincidence.

That’s me out happy reefing.

 

[BeanAnimal]

That answer is pure deflection. I would duck out the back door at this point too…

 

[PNW_squidz]

Did Redfield say anything about the ratio of cereal to milk?