Buying pre-QT fish are the most important to me. They come in eating everything and outgoing. Thats my experience.
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I would have given you 'Heart' - except - I don't think it's all that awesome to say nothing is taken out of the wild. Is that really a thing?
Maybe it's just for me but I love the reaction when someone is looking at the tank and to say none of it was taken out of the oceans. All of the rock is Real Reef Solution rock, every coral is aquacultured, every fish is aquacultured, and even the invertebrates in there are aquacultured. I guess to each their own.I would have given you 'Heart' - except - I don't think it's all that awesome to say nothing is taken out of the wild. Is that really a thing?
I should have been more clear. To "care" as I'm referencing is to have knowledge of the things you're putting into your tank. Unfortunately, when you go to a fish store and you pick a wild fish you generally have knowledge of location (Indo-Pacific, Indian Ocean, ect.) or even the specific wholesaler the fish came from if the employee wants to divulge that information to you. But ultimately it's fairly unknown if the practices to collect that fish were sustainable (free of cyanide/dynamite fishing, from an approved collection area, ect.).Can you elaborate on this? What does it mean to "care"? And I'm not asking to pull on my heartstrings. I would like to be educated on this. Is ornamental fish collecting not sustainable? Is it somehow inhumane?
I'm having a hard time making that connection. Don't get me wrong, I can understand how somebody can take that point of view, but I feel that they come to the conclusion based on feelings and not fact. It seems to me there has to be hard evidence to say otherwise, and that's what I'm asking about.
This is awesome to read. Do you think eventually you will get the more common fish like [let's say] the yellow tang down to a reasonable price ~$50?
This seems more of a linear way of looking at it, option B to the cost of the Cubans being cheaper is if I sold both the royal gramma and cuban basslets at a median price of $300. That covers the cost of the production of both species but realistically no one is paying $300 for a Royal Gramma while they're readily available from the wild. So to be able to produce both these species and offer them at an economical pricing I need to be able to "make money" where it can be made or I'm producing both species at a loss and in turn both those breeding programs won't exist.What I'm getting at is that it doesn't cost 10 times more to breed/raise an almost identical fish. And the inflated price, while cheaper than it used to be, is still inflated for profit only. You run a business, I get it, but I get tired of companies saying that they are doing things for the greater good of our environment and not profit. Tesla is another example, do you think he started that company to save the environment or for the $$$. I appreciate that you CB fish, but call it what it is, a business for profit. It's also great that hopefully one day you will be able to breed and sell every fish available in the trade and eliminate the need for wild caught. We definitely need to do something to help the ocean out, and this and land based coral farms are a great start.
This is the best part about our main breeding facility being in Palau where the majority of our team is native Palauan. Gives jobs to that economy without collecting.I would rather support sustainably caught wild fish from a 3rd world country than puppy mill style operations in the first world.
With that being said I will support the decision made by local governments on the best way to manage their natural resources. If smaller nations and economies can develop a profitable business model breeding fish then good on them. I just hate the idea of a bunch of yuppies in the US making the decisions for the nations where the fish actually come from.
Of course, but many people will not like them. I think captive bred is the future of this hobby only because we are taking and killing way to many fish from the sea.
But as far as fish health and hardiness goes, I would rather "not" have a captive bred fish as they were not exposed to many, if any diseases so they won't have any immunity to anything.
Of course if all fish and corals were captive bred and none of us used NSW, it probably should not be a problem.
For now, only wild caught for me because my tank depends on immunity and not medications or quarantine for health.
I'm under the impression that the majority of clowns fish that are sold are captive bread. Everytime I went to a fish store and saw clowns for sale they were mostly the designer ones that hobbyists breed.This is a huge problem that not allot of ppl agree on but 20 years ago i went scuba diving for the first time in my life and seen huge beautiful clown fish and just outta this world corals that i could not explain to you now i went back to the very same spot to relive that memory and found just you very common damsels a few powder blue tangs etc. but gone where the "nemos" the huge clowns anything that was at-least the lest bit popular gone. This wasnt just a fluke ive dove that reef and several others around i did find a small tomato clown chillin in an anemone. But with all of that being said i do buy from both sources. I am glad ORA and other organizations are making an effort. keep reefin yall