The comparison to human disease came because someone (earlier - and I don't remember who) - said fish and people cannot develop immunity to parasites. That is not true - in fish or humans. There was an article that I posted showing that indeed certain people can be immune to parasites (and Fish can as well) - Though as Jay said - that immunity can be shorter in fish - and in both - 'worm-type' parasites generate less immunity that is specific to that parasite.
Do you know what the temperature variation on the reef is on a 24 hour basis? Here is an article from Nature that gives some information - but there are many others not so focused on coral: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-020-65194-8
I understand that however the ability to keep ich out of an enclosed system depends 100% on our ability to eliminate it at all points of the aquarium building process which just isn’t 100% guarantee able at the present time that’s been my entire point.
so you are assuming a lot here one your assuming that the initial treatment will be 100% effective on any new stock brought in to a “sterile” environment to keep ich from contaminating said environment hence why i emphasized it would have to be a completely sterile lab type environment outside of such tightly controlled parameters and environments this wouldn’t be feasible, removing the parent fish from the equation breaks the link from ocean to production and there fore would be the easiest way to create specimens that don’t have any ICH dna associated with them. As the sperm and gametes are gathered sterile and wouldn’t take the chance of being in ich contaminated waters, however you still have the
Don’t think I missed your point at all. I’m just stating compared to that if the ocean, all tanks are higher in terms of bioload.
Well - unfortunately - I think you're wrong. In fact - at higher temps Ich can die off much more quickly. I haven't done the experiment - and you might be right. But the science says you're not unfortunately
No you missed it. I was saying that TANKS with a low bio load - have much less risk of an exponential Ich infection than those with a high bio load
What do you run your tanks at? I swing between 78.4 and 80.4
The company that does this has recommended the areas to sample (I would assume) - where the likelihood of parasites is highest.
It’s more about said vendor stated this, and because they do this for a living, that makes them a professional, so there what they say must be correct .
I apologize I cannot read this whole thing - because based on your initial sentences you are not getting what I'm saying. As the other person (I apologize - I don't remember the user) - said - you said its impossible to eradicate ICH. I said it was possible - thats it. I did not imply that there was a 100% chance of eradication or a 5 percent chance or any other chance.
That is true, I agree but for different reasons. If ich can multiply at the rates historybhave stated, well millions becomes millions more, I can’t see how measurable different 1 fish vs 2 fish makes (100 percent increase or double)
Define dry net? Is it taken apart with absolutely no water in it? Are there salt crystals in the intertwined handle that hold moisture? It has been said before salt crystals can carry moistures and prevent it from drying out completely. Which is why a dried out tank can still feel damp weeks after it has been drained
Because I was not talking about the number of fish - but rather the SURFACE AREA of the fish in the tank. So - in other words - a tank with one clownfish - as compared to a tank with 6 tangs - is going to have different multiplication rates. Why? Because - if the same number of parasite burden were present on the one clown as the 6 tangs - the clown would die, and the parasites would die. (note this is just an example)
I think we're splitting hairs. I was asking if you have evidence that CI survives on 'dry nets'. thats it - I do not want to get into molecular chemistry of salt crystals. However - since salt itself is one of the oldest disinfectants known to man - I would say a 'dry net' - first - is extremely unlikely to have any CI on it to start. 2. if there was some - its likely to be dead/
I think this is the exact issue - Of course parasites can be eradicated - by a number of methods - whether velvet, Ich, etc. The issue probably comes down to the fact that most of the research applies to CI - as compared to other parasites. Agree with you completely!!!
Think your are correct about splitting hairs. A true dry net, will not have any CI survived on it. I’m just stating to define, because some people will take a towel, towel it dry, let it sit for an hour or two and call it dry. Or read 24 hours of dry time does it, and have a pump sit for 24 hours and call it dry, where that pump can have droplets for weeks inside .
