Bolus dosing

[Mo.]

I can't do the whole hog with the bolus dosing malarky as my lights are already maxed out, which appears to be key to any perceived benefit.

And here we go again….

Raising the light intensity is not a necessity. Especially if you’re already maxed out.

But you’ve read the document and you’ve seen the videos, so you knew that already.

 

[GARRIGA]

Perhaps link to exact video with indication at what time the item in debate starts and ends so Randy can waste little time chasing this topic and either change his mind or he can confirm these guys aren't factual in their interpretation of what is happening or how it is occurring.

 

[Garf]

And here we go again….

Raising the light intensity is not a necessity. Especially if you’re already maxed out.

But you’ve read the document and you’ve seen the videos, so you knew that already.

Indeed, so how is any benefit attributable to "The Bolus Dose"? Seems an impossible claim.

Perhaps link to exact video with indication at what time the item in debate starts and ends so Randy can waste little time chasing this topic and either change his mind or he can confirm these guys aren't factual in their interpretation of what is happening or how it is occurring.

Unfortunately the bolus story has evolved from "nobody knows why it works" to "it's too complicated to explain" (paraphrased), in just a few weeks, which is a heck of a development considering they have been researching it for a couple of years. When quizzed together, Doug and Claude went to lengths not to answer the questions simultaneously. I smell a rat.

 

[Mo.]

Yeah Nah.
I think thats called being a hypocrite.

Huh?!

Just to reiterate for the 3rd time. I do keep Iodine at the sea levels because my Mk1 eyeball feels there is improvement / benefit.

That doesn’t mean I am going propose a theory that Iodine is acting like a sunscreen in a coral, that would be silly.
Neither am I going to create a video and claim I developed new science, again that would be silly.

As I mentioned we are in circular argument getting nowhere, or please point me to an scientific article that states Iodine provides light protection to corals.


Here is my pH graph from this morning:

I dose BOLUS at 6:45am there is bit of a rise and after mixing it is at the same level as before.
My pH probe is in the same chamber where I dose so the spike may be exaggerated.

My overall pH behaviour didn’t change. If I have fresh air in the room the pH rises quickly. If there is no fresh air it is lot slower.

Here is profile with open windows and BOLUS:

Here with closed windows and BOLUS:

So from where I stand, no new science has been developed or discovered and pH is behaving as it should or as it did prior to BOLUS.

BOLUS didn’t fix my broken buffer system…
But opening windows helped… big surprise there.

mate-

There is plenty of research out there re iodine. I would suggest you keep checking/ using it.

You posted some graphs- did you post any when you were not bolus dosing? I didn’t quite follow your post…sorry

Cheers
Mo

 

[Mo.]

Yeah Nah.
I think thats called being a hypocrite.

No idea what you just said…..

 

[GARRIGA]

Indeed, so how is any benefit attributable to "The Bolus Dose"? Seems an impossible claim.

Unfortunately the bolus story has evolved from "nobody knows why it works" to "it's too complicated to explain" (paraphrased), in just a few weeks, which is a heck of a development considering they have been researching it for a couple of years. When quizzed together, Doug and Claude went to lengths not to answer the questions simultaneously. I smell a rat.

Only intriguing aspect of Bolus is confirmation one dose per day still valid as was taught to do back in the mid 90s when ever it was I came across Kalk. The rest seems like threading the needle for 2% squeeze in performance. Something every hobby I've known tends to have yet simple works for most. Although does seem dosing alkalinity through out the night for us pH challenged might be better served assuming that alkalinity remains largely intact until photosynthesis begins

 

[Mo.]

Indeed, so how is any benefit attributable to "The Bolus Dose"? Seems an impossible claim.

Nonsense!

The bolus pH spike doesn’t occur when I dose kalk all day.

The spike does occur when I dose a bolus of alK solution. This arises even if I don’t switch the lights on, but the photosynthetic boost to pH occurs additionally. And slightly later.

Thats my observation from my own system. Using kalk and using bolus at different times.

Unfortunately the bolus story has evolved from "nobody knows why it works" to "it's too complicated to explain" (paraphrased), in just a few weeks, which is a heck of a development considering they have been researching it for a couple of years. When quizzed together, Doug and Claude went to lengths not to answer the questions simultaneously. I smell a rat.

Then I guess you will always smell a rat.

Regardless of the reasoning, it works in my system.

I was hoping somebody here would explain it, but it doesn’t seem there is an appetite To explore that even remote
Possibility. Just to debunk as nonsense.

 

[Mo.]

Perhaps link to exact video with indication at what time the item in debate starts and ends so Randy can waste little time chasing this topic and either change his mind or he can confirm these guys aren't factual in their interpretation of what is happening or how it is occurring.

Perhaps just get an idea of what the whole thing is that is being claimed and watch/ read around the claims?!!! Is t that standard scientific approach. Taking snippets and debunking is shockingly poor.

You might think I have time to sit around and rewatch videos to extract bits to explore.

Unfortunately, I do have other thing to occupy my time…..

It’s not hard work just to actually get all of the information before you start debunking……

You don’t have to, but then you get poorly informed threads like this one….

 

[areefer01]

Regardless of the reasoning, it works in my system.

I'm a bit confused. In the post below you said you switched back to kalkwasser (post #535).

Bolus dosing

As it happens I've been monitoring the Alk on my tank (as accurately as I can with a salifert test) and it definitely consumes more at the end of the photoperiod and into the darkness, thus lowering alk. I wonder if they tried adding bicarb during these times to bolster it as it's consumed? I...

www.reef2reef.com

 

[Garf]

Nonsense!

The bolus pH spike doesn’t occur when I dose kalk all day.

The spike occurs because the alkalinity has decreased and you are suddenly increasing the alkalinity. The alkalinity would not have decreased so far if the alkalinity had been maintained and thus the relative pH. I'm adding bicarb and kalk and restricting pH with CO2 additions, not possible in your world, obviously.

 

[Mo.]

Only intriguing aspect of Bolus is confirmation one dose per day still valid as was taught to do back in the mid 90s when ever it was I came across Kalk. The rest seems like threading the needle for 2% squeeze in performance. Something every hobby I've known tends to have yet simple works for most. Although does seem dosing alkalinity through out the night for us pH challenged might be better served assuming that alkalinity remains largely intact until photosynthesis begins

I hope you don’t mean doing a single bolus dose of kalk?

 

[GARRIGA]

Perhaps just get an idea of what the whole thing is that is being claimed and watch/ read around the claims?!!! Is t that standard scientific approach. Taking snippets and debunking is shockingly poor.

You might think I have time to sit around and rewatch videos to extract bits to explore.

Unfortunately, I do have other thing to occupy my time…..

It’s not hard work just to actually get all of the information before you start debunking……

You don’t have to, but then you get poorly informed threads like this one….

Watching videos of influencers not likely the scientific approach yet you seek to debate with a scientist expecting him to take your approach. Man doesn't watch videos therefore if you are presenting such as evidence then perhaps present the actual footage otherwise you are asking all involved to search the web for every possible connection to your theory. I'm not doing that as that would be akin to asking another to prove Santa doesn't exist because I saw it somewhere and only way to debate me is go seek all the knowledge I have yet dare not point in any specific direction. BTW, don't believe in Santa although no one can prove he doesn't exist

 

[GARRIGA]

I hope you don’t mean doing a single bolus dose of kalk?

Yes that's what I was told in the 90s (little known by those informing me) but have confirmed using AFR with Randy although regardless if that or two part would depend on system consumption need as one dose might be too much and yet now I'm drifting to dosing AFR throughout the night to raise pH, if needed.

 

[Pod_01]

mate-

There is plenty of research out there re iodine. I would suggest you keep checking/ using it.

You posted some graphs- did you post any when you were not bolus dosing? I didn’t quite follow your post…sorry

Cheers
Mo

mate-

The bottom line is you got nothing to show.

Out of curiosity, are you on FM payroll/ influencer or what do you get out of this.
Just so you know not everything on the internet is true or accurate etc…

If we keep this up next you will be asking me to search the internet to prove there is Santa (as mentioned in post 592).

Unless you have something to show, we are done.

Good luck,

 

[Mo.]

The spike occurs because the alkalinity has decreased and you are suddenly increasing the alkalinity. The alkalinity would not have decreased so far if the alkalinity had been maintained and thus the relative pH. I'm adding bicarb and kalk and restricting pH with CO2 additions, not possible in your world, obviously.

It’s still a function of a bolus dose?

 

[Mo.]

Yes that's what I was told in the 90s (little known by those informing me) but have confirmed using AFR with Randy although regardless if that or two part would depend on system consumption need as one dose might be too much and yet now I'm drifting to dosing AFR throughout the night to raise pH, if needed.

Nah. Bolus dosing kalk in one go, is not the same thing and is not advisable!

If nothing else, it would eventually seize up your pumps…. I’d guess it would take out some livestock before it did that though….

 

[Garf]

It’s still a function of a bolus dose?

It's a function of allowing Alk to decline, as much as it is increasing Alk in one go.

 

[GARRIGA]

Nah. Bolus dosing kalk in one go, is not the same thing and is not advisable!

If nothing else, it would eventually seize up your pumps…. I’d guess it would take out some livestock before it did that though….

Not saying to use Kalk for Bolus. Just the fact Bolus based on one dose which was something I recall all I spoke with which likely back then successful because none I knew had a thriving hard coral dominated reef tank therefore likely small dosages and do agree with you today wouldn’t work but something like Formate which is literally slow release would or using a low pH driving alkalinity. My understanding.

Formate does raise the possibility that those seeking this application might work as it’s assumed most ch might be taken up directly by coral and why most see low alkalinity. Would be an interesting study.

 

[areefer01]

Yes that's what I was told in the 90s (little known by those informing me) but have confirmed using AFR with Randy although regardless if that or two part would depend on system consumption need as one dose might be too much and yet now I'm drifting to dosing AFR throughout the night to raise pH, if needed.

I use AFR and do not see any raise to my pH. Could be that I spread my dosing throughout the day but I don't recall ever seeing any bump.

 

[GARRIGA]

I use AFR and do not see any raise to my pH. Could be that I spread my dosing throughout the day but I don't recall ever seeing any bump.

That's interesting. Thought it would behave similar to baking soda. Expected at least a small bump. Lots I still have to learn about formate. In the end, bulk of my pH rise will come from Fuge and/or ATS. Perhaps use potassium hydroxide should potassium be lagging. Kalk and it's limitations. This can become a science project