What to do with bleach solution after cure.

[MnFish1]

I’m my neighborhood these are not around so maybe we are different areas?
And I see people washing their cars in their driveways all summer long so a little bleach won’t be any worse than any of the other stuff getting washed down the drains.

I guess its time to repeat - no municipalities (that I'm aware of) limit the washing of cars - its a very small amount of chemical - and a large amount of water. a 1:10 bleach solution is different. I'm not wanting to argue here - and its certainly ok to have an 'opinion' about something - but when that opinion goes against 'fact' it seems to me that it should be called out.

 

[GlassMunky]

I guess its time to repeat - no municipalities (that I'm aware of) limit the washing of cars - its a very small amount of chemical - and a large amount of water. a 1:10 bleach solution is different. I'm not wanting to argue here - and its certainly ok to have an 'opinion' about something - but when that opinion goes against 'fact' it seems to me that it should be called out.

yea I’ve gotten the feeling that you guys like “calling out”. This thread is filled with it.

 

[MnFish1]

yea I’ve gotten the feeling that you guys like “calling out”. This thread is filled with it.

Actually - I was trying to have a discussion - as to why you make the comments you did. Do you have anything to back up what you're saying - or is it just opinion. Several people (myself included) - have posted 'regulations' - whether you agree or disagree with them (and I somewhat disagree with them) - isn't the point right? The thing I'm calling out is merely that you keep repeating the same thing over and over despite evidence that you're incorrect. I was just wondering 'why' = on what basis

 

[WVNed]

You can ignore people here. It is very handy sometimes.

 

[Laird]

I’m a bit surprised by my first round results. 7 day 10:1 solution.

Everything was fully under water but not everything looks white and I’m surprised how many little things are still on the rock.

Think I need to do another round with a stronger solution?

 

[Laird]

More pics

 

[MnFish1]

Not everything bleaches white with bleach. I assume you mean 1:10 (1 part bleach 9 parts water) - rather than 10;1. The rock looks good to me

 

[mfinn]

Yeah, looks good to me also.
I would go over each piece and make sure there is nothing soft.
Once in the tank and through the cycling it's going to lose the white.

 

[Laird]

Yes, 1:10 is what I did.

I assumed that the bright white was the best way to know that everything was killed. That’s why I was concerned that several pieces were still brown.

 

[tdlawdo]

How is it going down the drain of your house any different than it going down the drain the street?
They both go the same place, at least around here

Ours goes to the septic tank here.

 

[flsalty]

Household bleach is only 5.25%. That means the solution we are talking about is .53%. Actually it's a little less because the simple act of pouring it out of the container will knock it down a little, especially if exposed to sunlight. After 24 hours the solution will lose about 90% of its strength. This is from reacting with the organics and not taking into account any loss due to sun exposure. Once it hits soil there will be no chloride left.

BTW, I pour household bleach directly on my patio to clean it. Then I scrub it and hose it off into the surrounding plant beds with no ill effect. It is way less stable than some of you think.

 

[Stigigemla]

I have used chlorine to get rid of poisonous palys. When I tested the water for chlorine after a few weeks there was zero reading on the test. Its just to test and if necessary wait a few days more and when the test show a value like a swimming pool or less you can throw it anywhere without risking that it can cause any problem.

 

[MnFish1]

Ours goes to the septic tank here.

In that case its a definite 'no no' to put bleach down there... from what I've read

 

[MnFish1]

Household bleach is only 5.25%. That means the solution we are talking about is .53%. Actually it's a little less because the simple act of pouring it out of the container will knock it down a little, especially if exposed to sunlight. After 24 hours the solution will lose about 90% of its strength. This is from reacting with the organics and not taking into account any loss due to sun exposure. Once it hits soil there will be no chloride left.

BTW, I pour household bleach directly on my patio to clean it. Then I scrub it and hose it off into the surrounding plant beds with no ill effect. It is way less stable than some of you think.

Actually - household bleach varies in concentration from 5.25% to 8% or so. Splashless varieties are even less. a .53 % bleach solution you would definitely not want to 'swim in'. .53% is 5300 ppm......

Honestly - I dont get the 'argument/discussion' here. Most of this revolves not around 'personal experience' but - 'local laws'. Here - even swimming pool water is not supposed to be 'drained' until the chlorine is 'o'.

This link is from Louisville (https://louisvillemsd.org/sites/def...s Center/MSD--Safe Pool Closings 9-1-2017.pdf). Apparently they feel the chlorine (even in a pool) is 'more stable' than popular opinion.

 

[flsalty]

Actually - household bleach varies in concentration from 5.25% to 8% or so. Splashless varieties are even less. a .53 % bleach solution you would definitely not want to 'swim in'. .53% is 5300 ppm......

Honestly - I dont get the 'argument/discussion' here. Most of this revolves not around 'personal experience' but - 'local laws'. Here - even swimming pool water is not supposed to be 'drained' until the chlorine is 'o'.

This link is from Louisville (https://louisvillemsd.org/sites/default/files/file_repository/Press Center/MSD--Safe Pool Closings 9-1-2017.pdf). Apparently they feel the chlorine (even in a pool) is 'more stable' than popular opinion.

Nobody is talking about swimming in it.

I'm not sure what you think the relevance is between draining pools and dumping out some water used to bleach some rocks. Does Louisville have any laws regarding what this thread is about?

Swimming pool chlorine is more stable due to the use of stabilizer. They are correct that it takes about 10 days for the level to drop to near zero from 3 ppm, unless it gets heavy use. I've seen them go down to zero in a few hours. The funny thing about that law is that tap water can have a higher level of chlorine at 4 ppm. I wonder if they have laws against using municipal water for sprinklers.

While I agree that one should check with local laws, laws aren't always based on logic. Therefore, a law is not proof of anything. In the meantime, I'll believe in my own experience.

 

[MnFish1]

Nobody is talking about swimming in it.

I'm not sure what you think the relevance is between draining pools and dumping out some water used to bleach some rocks. Does Louisville have any laws regarding what this thread is about?

Swimming pool chlorine is more stable due to the use of stabilizer. They are correct that it takes about 10 days for the level to drop to near zero from 3 ppm, unless it gets heavy use. I've seen them go down to zero in a few hours. The funny thing about that law is that tap water can have a higher level of chlorine at 4 ppm. I wonder if they have laws against using municipal water for sprinklers.

While I agree that one should check with local laws, laws aren't always based on logic. Therefore, a law is not proof of anything. In the meantime, I'll believe in my own experience.

Yes - did you read the article? We already talked about stabilized chlorine a couple of pages ago.... Also discussed that - if someone has tested the chlorine and its at safe levels - of course there would be no reason not to dump it.

Dont get the discussion point here - your 'experience' (no offense - it seems extensive) doesnt discuss a couple important variables - i.e. how much chlorine are you putting on your deck - and how much water are you using to rinse it off - which may explain the reason 'you dont see any problems in your yard'. (I do the same thing on my deck BTW).

I also posted (a couple pages ago) - that I dont agree with 'all local laws'.....

Likewise - using a sprinkler on a lawn with (at maximum) 4 ppm chlorine containing water - will almost be instantaneously neutralized by the organics in the dirt, etc. This is a lot different than dumping 80 gallons into a storm sewer unless you dumped a cup an hour

However - that doesn't mean that the original post - and the topic of this thread should entirely be based on 'stupid laws' or 'personal experience'. The reality is that most people who think that 8500 ppm chlorine solution (which if you're using standard home chlorine bleach' diluted 1:10 will turn to 0 if left for a week in a brute trash can 'in the sun' are probably incorrect (especially if there is no circulation) - the sun isnt going to penetrate that deeply into the water - and the sides of most containers are not clear'.

The issue is depending on the area one lives in - dumping 1:10 chlorine solution into a 'street drain' is not recommended (unless that water goes into a treatment facility). Whether you want to debate it or not - its a fact. Its not good for the environment - and for an individual to try to 'guess' whether it is or not - seems inappropriate to me. The important thing (to me) - is not the debate - its educating people as to the POTENTIAL issues depending on where there wastewater is going.

In our area - the storm drains drain directly (i.e. within 200 yards or so - into a stream (.2-.3 ppm will kill most fish fairly rapidly) - why take the chance.