To dip or not to dip ... the insecticide trend

[RedReefer]

Multiple dips and quarantine for at least 8 weeks.

 

[Lyndya]

following

following post

 

[dankreef]

I pitty the fool who don't use BAYER!

 

[ronnie]

Flatworm exit doesn't kill aefw only red planaria and zoanthid eating nudis

the iodine based dips do not kill the aefw either. The iodine dips only stun the worms which cause some of the them to fall
Off in our dipping container the problem with that is most of the tiny aefw that are invisible to the eye are not infected by the commercially available dips

Dr rawlinson talks about that here

https://experiment.com/projects/the-life-cycle-of-a-coral-killer-the-acropora-eating-flatworm

Freshwater dips may kill aefw. I have not heard of anyone trying them but they are more than likely going to kill or severely damage the coral you are trying to protect

The should not be a need for an In Tank treatment if a good protocol is established. When I recieve a frag the first thing I do is cut of the encrusting base. If there is no base or dead spots there is not anywhere for eggs to hide. Aefw eggs are only laid on a spot of dead tissue. Never on lIve tissue. This eliminates the possibility of any eggs making it into the system. next comes the bayer dip. Which kills all aefw and any other pest. Then my frags are into the quarantine system that is not tied Into my main system.

I have bought pieces that can on infested with worms. And I have never even seen a bite mark on anythingin my quarantine setup

No other dip or method is proven to totally kill aefw

Flatworm exit is levimasole in a highly diluted form. FYI.

 

[turbo21]

Flatworm exit is levimasole in a highly diluted form. FYI.

Thanks for the info Ronnie. Just wondering where you heard that at. When my tank crashed because of a bad batch of flatworm exit I asked sailfert what was in it and they told me it was proprietary

 

[ronnie]

The MSDS. I'll dig it up and post.

 

[Whisperer]

Hello everyone, I felt compelled to respond to this thread. As you probably can tell, I started the Bayer dip.

It started when I could not get Interceptor to get rid of the red bug problem I was having. My thinking was that since Bayer insecticide kill arthropods, it may very well work against red bugs (since they also under arthropods family). I also anticipated that it will kill any crustacean. Indeed, it killed many amphipods that were hiding in the corals.


My hypothesis was correct when I tried it the first time. To my surprise, the dip also knocked out AEFW (I did not realize I had!). Many people have tried it since I posted my findings. It has been tested and proven effective by many reef enthusiasts.

I am also aware that my work impacted commercial dip sales.For that, I apologize. For long term effect on corals, I do not know for sure. But I humbly submit that the insecticide is designed to affect the nervous systems of animals with well developed nervous systems. Since corals have primitive nervous systems (If I recall my biology correctly), the dip will not have a lasting affect, if there is any at all.

It is not so often one has a light bulb moment. If you have one, go for it. You might just stumble upon something that will benefit others.

Thanks everyone. --Whisperer

 

[Whisperer]

BTW, how does one edit his post? (part of my post should read, I started the Bayer dip).
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[ronnie]

Should be an edit button. And I still appreciate the work you started on the Bayer dip. I was right there with you testing early on as well, and it was exciting to be a part of that.

 

[ronnie]

From Habib at Salifert:


We sell Flatworm eXit to our master distributor in the USA and they have a MSDS for it.

I copied the tox data from it and pasted it below:

Toxicological Data on Ingredients: Anthelmintic: ORAL (LD50s): 4800 mg/kg [Rat]. 2100 mg/kg [Mouse].

Note to physician: The maximum amount of solution per package is approximately 10 ml ( 0.34 fl. oz.) or the equivalent of approximately 10,000 mg.

Citric acid: ORAL (LD50s): 100 g/kg [Mouse]. 60 g/kg [Rat].

Note to physician: The maximum amount of solution per package is approximately 10 ml ( 0.34 fl. oz.) or the equivalent of approximately 10 g.

Section 3: Hazards Identification
Potential Acute Health Effects:
Hazardous in case of ingestion of large amounts, larger than what is contained in one package (10 ml).
Hazard of inhalation only if it is transformed into a mist or aerosol. Prolonged skin contact may cause irritation. Eye contact may cause irritation.
Potential Chronic Health Effects:
CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available.
NTP Carcinogen for all ingredients:
Known: No
Anticipated: No
IARC Category: None

 

[turbo21]

From Habib at Salifert:


We sell Flatworm eXit to our master distributor in the USA and they have a MSDS for it.

I copied the tox data from it and pasted it below:

Toxicological Data on Ingredients: Anthelmintic: ORAL (LD50s): 4800 mg/kg [Rat]. 2100 mg/kg [Mouse].

Note to physician: The maximum amount of solution per package is approximately 10 ml ( 0.34 fl. oz.) or the equivalent of approximately 10,000 mg.

Citric acid: ORAL (LD50s): 100 g/kg [Mouse]. 60 g/kg [Rat].

Note to physician: The maximum amount of solution per package is approximately 10 ml ( 0.34 fl. oz.) or the equivalent of approximately 10 g.

Section 3: Hazards Identification
Potential Acute Health Effects:
Hazardous in case of ingestion of large amounts, larger than what is contained in one package (10 ml).
Hazard of inhalation only if it is transformed into a mist or aerosol. Prolonged skin contact may cause irritation. Eye contact may cause irritation.
Potential Chronic Health Effects:
CARCINOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. MUTAGENIC EFFECTS: Not available. TERATOGENIC EFFECTS: Not available.
NTP Carcinogen for all ingredients:
Known: No
Anticipated: No
IARC Category: None

I don't see any ingredients listed

Anthelmintic just means a medication used to expel parasites?

 

[ronnie]

Oy. I think I misread it. Sorry.

An MSDS should've readily be available to anyone, though. And that would list active ingredients. I'm leaning towards it actually being levimasole after further research, but it's not confirmed.