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My urchin could use a few, tired of it getting a hold of just about everything in my tank lol
Put me in line.
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Looks good! Do you dose all at the same time or what? And what's the difference?Just mailed out a mix phyto pack. Still have some left if anyone wants to place an order.
Kasrift
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Size is the difference and what nutrients. Some are smaller micron and certain things uptake different phyto. I had that large write up in a past thread. The only difference now is I don't culture the Phaedodactylum, people didn't like it. That was replaced with a good strain of Iso that I've been successful in growing without crashes.
Here is that write up:
Tisochrysis - Golden algae like the photo below:
- Fatty Acid Powerhouse: able to create and concentrate EXTREMELY high concentrations of precious Golden Fats (ARA/EPA/DHA).
- Profound Overall Nutritional Profile: rich in lipids, amino acids, bioactive vitamins and pigments.
- 4-6 million living algae cells/ml. Small cell size (8-10um).
- Perfect live feed for corals, tridacnid clams, electric scallops, porcelain crabs, sea fans and other filter-feeding marine life.
- Gold Standard feed for growing home cultures of copepods, rotifers, artemia, moina and other zooplankton live feeds.
- Photosynthetic Powerhouse: ravenous consumer of nitrates and phosphates.
- Provides corals with direct source of golden fats, while at the same time, enriching copepods and other grazeables.
- Each cell has a tail-like flagella it can use to remain in the water column
Tetramelsis
- Cell size of 12 - 14 micrometers
- Increases copepod production.
- Motile and can remain in the water column
- Small particle size (10-14 microns)
- Consumes organic carbon
- Excellent for inverts
Phaeodalactylum Tricornutum
- Beneficial marine diatom
- Rich in Omega-3 fatty acids
- High levels of carotenoids
- High protein content
- It contains up to 51.8% EPA, far surpassing other microalgae species and providing exceptional nutrition for marine organisms
- The cell size of Phaeodactylum tricornutum can vary depending on the shape of the cell, as this species has diverse cell shapes. However, on average, the cell length of Phaeodactylum tricornutum is about 10-20 micrometers.
- Diet Advantage: Balanced nutrition profile containing EPA and carotenoids.
Rhodomonas
- Rejuvenates and intensifies color of zooplankton
- Aids in development of zooplankton
- Increases survival rate of zooplankton
- High EPA and DHA content
- Color-Enhancing Nutrition: highly concentrated with valuable pigments such as Phycoerythrin which intensify the color of fish and corals.
- Profound Overall Nutritional Profile: rich in lipids, amino acids, bioactive vitamins and probiotics.
- 4-6 million living algae cells/ml. Moderate cell size (8-16um).
And finally Nannochloropsis, which I might go back to as my fourth if Iso keeps failing.
Nannochloropsis
- Rich in eicosapentaenoic fatty acid
- Strong cell wall reduces foraging from ciliates
- Dense with microbial proteins
- Produces accessory pigments (lycopene, beta-carotene, zeaxanthin, canthaxanthin and astaxanthin)
- Cell size: 2.73 ± 0.13 μm
- Diet Advantage: Long fatty acid chain, including eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). Omega-3 (ω-3) fatty acids are essential components of marine species health.
You can mix them. I think they ship better separately, but the two greens Nanno and Tetra blend well together. I dose random bottle I grab from the fridge.
Kasrift
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Oh and for what it's worth, I had tried culturing pods before feeding tetra and Nanno, they never really took off. I've been doing it with Iso now and they exploded in growth. I'm convinced that is gold for pods.
Nice! Aren't you just the phyto philanthropist...you smarty pants. Do you find the ones that say so reduce p04 or n03 or does it not matter muchSize is the difference and what nutrients. Some are smaller micron and certain things uptake different phyto. I had that large write up in a past thread. The only difference now is I don't culture the Phaedodactylum, people didn't like it. That was replaced with a good strain of Iso that I've been successful in growing without crashes.
Here is that write up:
Tisochrysis - Golden algae like the photo below:
Long story short, it is a small sized phytoplankton that consumes nitrates and phosphates at a higher rate than others (might be why I'm crashing, I've tried adding extra F2 fertilizer).
- Fatty Acid Powerhouse: able to create and concentrate EXTREMELY high concentrations of precious Golden Fats (ARA/EPA/DHA).
- Profound Overall Nutritional Profile: rich in lipids, amino acids, bioactive vitamins and pigments.
- 4-6 million living algae cells/ml. Small cell size (8-10um).
- Perfect live feed for corals, tridacnid clams, electric scallops, porcelain crabs, sea fans and other filter-feeding marine life.
- Gold Standard feed for growing home cultures of copepods, rotifers, artemia, moina and other zooplankton live feeds.
- Photosynthetic Powerhouse: ravenous consumer of nitrates and phosphates.
- Provides corals with direct source of golden fats, while at the same time, enriching copepods and other grazeables.
- Each cell has a tail-like flagella it can use to remain in the water column
Tetramelsis
Easy to culture, larger size than Iso. this is pretty standard for phyto blends and I think it is what gives things the dark green look. You'll notice this consumes carbon, so it plays a different role than the others.
- Cell size of 12 - 14 micrometers
- Increases copepod production.
- Motile and can remain in the water column
- Small particle size (10-14 microns)
- Consumes organic carbon
- Excellent for inverts
Phaeodalactylum Tricornutum
This is my first time culturing this, I read up on a few different vendors adding this to their blends. The first thing you'll notice is that it is a diatom! Although it is a diatom, it doesn't consume silicates, it also is motile so it won't settle as that brown "dust" type of diatom that you see.
- Beneficial marine diatom
- Rich in Omega-3 fatty acids
- High levels of carotenoids
- High protein content
- It contains up to 51.8% EPA, far surpassing other microalgae species and providing exceptional nutrition for marine organisms
- The cell size of Phaeodactylum tricornutum can vary depending on the shape of the cell, as this species has diverse cell shapes. However, on average, the cell length of Phaeodactylum tricornutum is about 10-20 micrometers.
- Diet Advantage: Balanced nutrition profile containing EPA and carotenoids.
Rhodomonas
Also new to me. The thing that fascinates me is that it helps zooplankton and enhances colors of corals.
- Rejuvenates and intensifies color of zooplankton
- Aids in development of zooplankton
- Increases survival rate of zooplankton
- High EPA and DHA content
- Color-Enhancing Nutrition: highly concentrated with valuable pigments such as Phycoerythrin which intensify the color of fish and corals.
- Profound Overall Nutritional Profile: rich in lipids, amino acids, bioactive vitamins and probiotics.
- 4-6 million living algae cells/ml. Moderate cell size (8-16um).
And finally Nannochloropsis, which I might go back to as my fourth if Iso keeps failing.
Nannochloropsis
This is easy to culture and also a staple of most blends.
- Rich in eicosapentaenoic fatty acid
- Strong cell wall reduces foraging from ciliates
- Dense with microbial proteins
- Produces accessory pigments (lycopene, beta-carotene, zeaxanthin, canthaxanthin and astaxanthin)
- Cell size: 2.73 ± 0.13 μm
- Diet Advantage: Long fatty acid chain, including eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA). Omega-3 (ω-3) fatty acids are essential components of marine species health.
You can mix them. I think they ship better separately, but the two greens Nanno and Tetra blend well together. I dose random bottle I grab from the fridge.
I may consider phyto, again, if it reduces PO4.
Thuan
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From what I read, dosing phyto Reduces NO3 and PO4 as living phytoplankton consume these nutrients for photosynthesis. I'm wondering if this is why my no3 and po4 is in check on the lower end.
I need it to add p04...lol. but I just bombed my tank with pods so I'm phyto-ing right now. Didn't know Kas had any or I would have hit em up
That’s what they say. Or is it all your corals, skimming and upkeep keeping them in check.
Add an auto-feeder with pellets, should take care of that “problem”
I would rather dose than overfeed.
I don’t think I’m over feeding. If it wasn’t for Anthias, I’d take the auto pellets offline.
Kasrift
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Definitely does reduce po4 and no3. Here are my thoughts on it, they consume those elements pretty abundantly. The issue arises with people dosing and then they aren't uptaken by corals or pods and then it dies in the tank and contributes to po4 and no3.
Literally when you grow phyto, the F2 fertilizer has phosphates and nitrates.
To contribute to @robanister 's top down Tuesday, this is my tank.
Like @Thuan and others with packed tanks, dosed phyto will be consumed. I know you are a "keep it simple" person @billyocean and I don't think dosing phyto is necessary, it is a natural building block and even acros will small polyps will consume it.
Thuan
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Could be both. I don't really do anything special beside dosing photo from Kas 1x every other day. I also mix it with oyster feast to feed the whole tank. I also feed fish 1x a day. WC 1x/2 weeks
Do you have Anthias?
Thuan
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I was just going to say, "you're as bad as I am, if not worse"Definitely does reduce po4 and no3. Here are my thoughts on it, they consume those elements pretty abundantly. The issue arises with people dosing and then they aren't uptaken by corals or pods and then it dies in the tank and contributes to po4 and no3.
Literally when you grow phyto, the F2 fertilizer has phosphates and nitrates.
To contribute to @robanister 's top down Tuesday, this is my tank.
Like @Thuan and others with packed tanks, dosed phyto will be consumed. I know you are a "keep it simple" person @billyocean and I don't think dosing phyto is necessary, it is a natural building block and even acros will small polyps will consume it.
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