One Stop Tank Power Back-Up - Would you buy it?

[Johnd651]

So, I have always been a tinkerer, and have frankensteined old UPS systems, and inverters in the past to power the tank during power blips and outages. That being said, I have had some friends, that are not as electrically savvy ask, how do you do that.

That got me thinking, if there was a one stop system, where all you had to do was buy one "power strip" and add 12V batteries (as many as you want to carry the load), would you buy it?

 

[lapin]

Me no. I have 2 back ups already. But its a good idea. You still have the prob of people handling 12V batteries and how to hook them up. Its much easier to have an all in one like this

Anker Power House 767 ｜ Power Ready for Anything

Anker Power House 767 is equipped with a massive 2048Wh capacity and huge 2400W AC output to conveniently power almost any appliance—from off-grid life essentials such as microwaves and refrigerators to pro tools like power drills and high output lights.

www.anker.com

 

[Johnd651]

Me no. I have 2 back ups already. But its a good idea. You still have the prob of people handling 12V batteries and how to hook them up. Its much easier to have an all in one like this

Anker Power House 767 ｜ Power Ready for Anything

Anker Power House 767 is equipped with a massive 2048Wh capacity and huge 2400W AC output to conveniently power almost any appliance—from off-grid life essentials such as microwaves and refrigerators to pro tools like power drills and high output lights.

www.anker.com

I had looked at them for our RV, but I have the same problem with them as with my network UPS, once the battery goes, a lot of them are not serviceable.

 

[VintageReefer]

I had looked at them for our RV, but I have the same problem with them as with my network UPS, once the battery goes, a lot of them are not serviceable.

Are you talking about lead acid batteries ? These lithium ones last a looong time

 

[The_Paradox]

I had looked at them for our RV, but I have the same problem with them as with my network UPS, once the battery goes, a lot of them are not serviceable.

What UPS can you not replace the battery? All the 208 and 120 ones I have ever worked on have replaceable batteries even the cheapie Cyberpower ones.

 

[Johnd651]

Are you talking about lead acid batteries ? These lithium ones last a looong time

I think the APS UPCs are still running lead acid.

 

[Johnd651]

What UPS can you not replace the battery? All the 208 and 120 ones I have ever worked on have replaceable batteries even the cheapie Cyberpower ones.

The APC UPS power strips I have are not "serviceable". Only ones I have been able to is on the rack mounts.

 

[The_Paradox]

The APC UPS power strips I have are not "serviceable". Only ones I have been able to is on the rack mounts.

Oh the ones meant to back up low power devices. Gotcha. The tower units (goofy ones people next to computers), rack mount, and system ones are all serviceable. Honestly though for any system larger than 50 gallons you can put together a battery back up and auto-start generator solution for 1200-1500USD.

 

[VintageReefer]

Almost all computer ups are lead acid and after a year or so the battery degrades and then by the time it’s 3 years old you have 5 min of run time

I have several lithium backups for different tanks. My newest one is also my longest lasting and has a built in ups

250$ with the current coupon

https://a.co/d/0FooDmD

The formula for runtime is

(Watt hours x .8) / watts used

Example: this unit I posted is 537.5 watt hours capacity

My dc return pump is 20 watts

(537.5 x .8) / 20 = 21.5 meaning it will run my return pump for 21.5 hours without power. It also will auto switch over automatically from ac power to battery power in an outage.

They make bigger ones, smaller ones, I can help find one for your needs if you know your equipment total wattage load

For $250, this is a good amount of backup power.

 

[Johnd651]

Oh the ones meant to back up low power devices. Gotcha. The tower units (goofy ones people next to computers), rack mount, and system ones are all serviceable. Honestly though for any system larger than 50 gallons you can put together a battery back up and auto-start generator solution for 1200-1500USD.

What if you could do it for half that price?

 

[VintageReefer]

600$ for 2016 watt hours

EcoFlow DELTA Max Extra Battery for Generator 2016Wh Certified Refurbished | eBay

Q3: Does it enable DELTA Max to plug in more powerful devices?. A: No, it only can be used with DELTA Max. Q4: Is this product compatible with the DELTA?.

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(2016 x .8h ) / 20 = 80.64 hours with my return pump

Edit^ that’s an extra battery but need the main station. I didn’t realize. Below is the main one you would need to start with for this brand/product line

EcoFlow DELTA Portable Power Station 1260Wh Generator Certified Refurbished | eBay

• 1260Wh Capacity & 1800W Pure Sine wave AC Power Surge to 3300W. 1260Wh Capacity With 1800W AC Power. EcoFlow have the world's fastest charging power stations. Capacity: 1260Wh (350Ah, 3.7V). 1260Wh (50.4V).

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1260 watt hours for $400

Then you could add on an extra 2016 watt hour battery for another $600 if you needed

 

[Johnd651]

600$ for 2016 watt hours

EcoFlow DELTA Max Extra Battery for Generator 2016Wh Certified Refurbished | eBay

Q3: Does it enable DELTA Max to plug in more powerful devices?. A: No, it only can be used with DELTA Max. Q4: Is this product compatible with the DELTA?.

www.ebay.com

(2016 x .8h ) / 20 = 80.64 hours with my return pump

Edit^ that’s an extra battery but need the main station. I didn’t realize. Below is the main one you would need to start with for this brand/product line

EcoFlow DELTA Portable Power Station 1260Wh Generator Certified Refurbished | eBay

• 1260Wh Capacity & 1800W Pure Sine wave AC Power Surge to 3300W. 1260Wh Capacity With 1800W AC Power. EcoFlow have the world's fastest charging power stations. Capacity: 1260Wh (350Ah, 3.7V). 1260Wh (50.4V).

www.ebay.com

1260 watt hours for $400

Then you could add on an extra 2016 watt hour battery for another $600 if you needed

So you're back at the $1000 mark.

My issue is I need to run heat plus pump, so more like 300Wh, intermittently.

My morning situation... about an inch of ice on top of 7 inches of snow already, with 3 more inches coming.

 

[VintageReefer]

What’s the temp in your house and how long do you need to provide backup power for

 

[VintageReefer]

Long story short battery power is great for many things but not generating heat via electricity.

The 1260 main station / unit for 400$ Could run the heater continuously for almost 3.5 hours. And heaters come on and off a few min at a time so really it would last longer than 3.5 hours.

If you invested the 1000 and got the main unit and the expansion battery you have 3276 watt hours

(3276 x .8) / 300w = 8.7 hour continuous use. Probably at least double or triple that amount of hours with the way heaters come on and off.

Plus you could get solar panels to charge if you wanted. The return pump I would put on a separate one like the one I originally posted

What everyone typically does for this situation is run a gas generator. Couple hundred bucks will get one that lasts 10 or 12+ hours from a couple gallons of gas

 

[newtothis2023]

Oh the ones meant to back up low power devices. Gotcha. The tower units (goofy ones people next to computers), rack mount, and system ones are all serviceable. Honestly though for any system larger than 50 gallons you can put together a battery back up and auto-start generator solution for 1200-1500US

Honestly you can do a whole home for 9k

 

[VintageReefer]

Honestly you can do a whole home for 9k

Don’t think OP is looking to spend anywhere near 9k

 

[Johnd651]

I'm not worried about myself. I have 11.7kW of solar, and a 12kW generator (no transfer switch), dual fuel with 500 gallon propane tank. The $9k doesn't make a standby worth it, when I only need 7-8 hours max, until I get home. I have built an inverter and charger setup to get me through what I need on my curreny FW setup.

The question is, for the people that aren't tech savvy, what are the options? It's my friends that ask me to build them what I have, that I am wondering about. I've seen the power-packs but they don't want to spend $1k+.

I'm currently looking at making such a unit for half the price. Question is would people use it?

 

[VintageReefer]

Ok I had a feeling you had an invention and weren’t looking for a solution. Your looking for interest. Without giving away your idea can you better describe what your device is, cost, run time etc

 

[The_Paradox]

Honestly you can do a whole home for 9k

It’s more like 20k but that’s not the issue. I have whole house but don’t like the 100-150 dollar a day bill is weather is decent enough I don’t need AC.

What if you could do it for half that price?

What generator are you talking about?

 

[VintageReefer]

It’s more like 20k but that’s not the issue. I have whole house but don’t like the 100-150 dollar a day bill is weather is decent enough I don’t need AC.


What generator are you talking about?

Re-read post 1. He has a concept / method of having a power strip/surge protector connected to a infinite number of batteries. And he wants to know if there is a market for this type of inverter