How to Quarantine

VJV · Mar 15, 2016

Precisely. According to the instructions its 16 drops = 1ml. You would need 32 drops (or 2ml) to get to 0,5 on 10,5 gallons, or roughly 48 drops (or 3ml) in your 15 gallon.

Volpone · Mar 15, 2016

I think i got it now thx mate

Humblefish · Mar 15, 2016

As per Seachem's website: http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Cupramine.html

If the bottle has a dropper cap, use 20 drops (1 mL) per 40 L (10.5 gallons*) the first day, wait 48 hours, then repeat. On non-dropper caps, each inner ring is 1 mL. In freshwater use half dose. Final copper concentration is 0.5 mg/L (0.25 mg/L in freshwater).

VJV · Mar 15, 2016

Humblefish said:
As per Seachem's website: http://www.seachem.com/Products/product_pages/Cupramine.html

That is the new version, which I believe is slightly more diluted (so you need to add more drops). I have the same bottle as the picture posted by Volpone with the 16 drops.

VJV · Mar 17, 2016

Well, reading through it again I saw it does not make sense what I just said, because in both cases Sachem claims it is 1ml. So I guess the solution has the exact same potency. The difference is probably the dropper in the new bottle is slightly tighter...?

Humblefish · Mar 17, 2016

VJV said:
Well, reading through it again I saw it does not make sense what I just said, because in both cases Sachem claims it is 1ml. So I guess the solution has the exact same potency. The difference is probably the dropper in the new bottle is slightly tighter...?

Back when I used Cupramine, I found you never really could trust the dosing instructions. It would turn out a little different every time.

So, I would dose slowly and test frequently ... In the test kit is where you want to put your trust (such that it is).

VJV · Mar 17, 2016

Well, I have checked several times the dosing instructions in terms of drops with the test kit and I must say, to the extend I can read the Seachem bloody continuous gradation kit, that the 16 drops per 40L seems about right.

The only time that did not happen it turned out I had a bad batch of reagents and the kit was under evaluating the actual levels. After discussing with Seachem they sent me new reagents free of charge and with the new ones it tests spot on (again, to the extent I can read the bloody test. I wish Hanna would come out with a checker...[emoji849])

VJV · Mar 17, 2016

I must say I was lucky I did not wipe out my fish by overdosing if I had trusted the kit. That is why currently I trust more the drops than the kit, even if I still test anyway (with the new reagents which I know are accurate... Or at least I think they are!)

Humblefish · Mar 17, 2016

@VJV Wish you could get chelated copper (Coppersafe, Copper Power) where you are. You have a lot more wiggle room when it comes to therapeutic levels with those. And I'm really starting to believe chelated copper is gentler on the fish than ionic.

Volpone · Mar 18, 2016

I have the same issue here with recommended dose and the test , i dose 48 drops due to my qt volume 60 liters and i test ,the result showing away low reading almost 0.10+ .and when i test the reagent its made me confuse .either the Cupramine recommend dose not correct or the test not correct or the reagent .

Volpone · Mar 19, 2016

Any clear idea to the case i have ? Is it because the Cupramine or because im adding the drop slowly ? I did it with in 4 or 5 days .

Humblefish · Mar 19, 2016

Volpone said:
Any clear idea to the case i have ? Is it because the Cupramine or because im adding the drop slowly ? I did it with in 4 or 5 days .

Gonna tag @4FordFamily for this one, as he has a lot more recent experience using Cupramine than I do.

VJV · Mar 19, 2016

Volpone said:
Any clear idea to the case i have ? Is it because the Cupramine or because im adding the drop slowly ? I did it with in 4 or 5 days .

You should contact Seachem's. It seems to me like a bad reagent so I would not continue to dose to chase the color of the reference sample because you could significantly overdose and kill all fish.

Volpone · Mar 19, 2016

I did already and send them email right now before my post here ,already i lost my blue star leopard wrasse even before i reach my recommended dose. Also i get advice from wrasse lovers thread to not qt wrasses with Cupramine .

Humblefish · Mar 19, 2016

Volpone said:
I did already and send them email right now before my post here ,already i lost my blue star leopard wrasse even before i reach my recommended dose. Also i get advice from wrasse lovers thread to not qt wrasses with Cupramine .

Based upon anecdotal evidence, sensitive wrasses seem to do better (ironically) in chelated copper than ionic.

However, I personally feel tank transfer method is the best way to prophylactically QT them. I've also had good luck using Chloroquine phosphate to treat flasher/fairy wrasses only; other types of wrasses (exs. Sixline, Melanurus) do not seem to do well in CP.

Volpone · Mar 19, 2016

Exactly , that what they recommend TTM ,but unfortunately its too much hassle and i dont have much time to do this method .
Thx humble fish for ur kindness and quick response .

4FordFamily · Mar 20, 2016

Volpone said:
Any clear idea to the case i have ? Is it because the Cupramine or because im adding the drop slowly ? I did it with in 4 or 5 days .

I honestly am not sure the answer. Cupramine is easily absorbed so if you have any live rock or sand in there it will absorb a great deal and it'll take a lot more than it says to reach proper dose.

I honestly am no longer a fan of cupramine. I've had fish at 2-3+X the recommend dose without any issues, even blue star leopard wrasses in fact I have successfully pulled 3 separate males through, two of them twice or more - I find cupramine ineffective.

I tested every other day sometimes every third with seachem's kit or sailifert. The rest were not easy to use or accurate with cupramine.

FireEMT · Mar 22, 2016

I am going to be buying 3 tangs (yellow eyed cole, yellow tang, and purple tang), they are all around 2-3". I would like to do TTM like I've done in the past but I only have two 10g QT's. Will the 10g tanks be ok of 3 tangs and possible a orange diamond gobbie? I would have a separate piece of pipe for each but worry about the size. Any help would be appreciated. If I have to split them into the two tanks I would have to do copper which I like the idea of TTM better.

Volpone · Mar 22, 2016

4FordFamily said:
I honestly am not sure the answer. Cupramine is easily absorbed so if you have any live rock or sand in there it will absorb a great deal and it'll take a lot more than it says to reach proper dose.

I honestly am no longer a fan of cupramine. I've had fish at 2-3+X the recommend dose without any issues, even blue star leopard wrasses in fact I have successfully pulled 3 separate males through, two of them twice or more - I find cupramine ineffective.

I tested every other day sometimes every third with seachem's kit or sailifert. The rest were not easy to use or accurate with cupramine.

Unfortunately that what happen with my blue star leopard .
I dont have any rock to absorbed cupramine ,only sponge . I believe the reagent its false its showing very dark color .seachem support didnt reply me yet . I believe the drop and i follow it as recommended dose .