*COPPERSAFE WARNING* along with Research on Hanna Instruments High Range Copper Checker

[HotRocks]

My issue is that as I am reading the chemetrics test is too vague, very wide range give or take. I would rather send it ba

I get that, but if we don't know the baseline, I don't want to steer you wrong. Because if your bottle was say 3.0ppm, 33ml would get your 40 gallons to the 2.0ppm level. But if the concentration is near the older level, then you would be sub-therapeutic at that dosage. Or if by chance the concentration was substantially above 3.0ppm, then that 33ml dosage could become toxic.

 

[deedubz]

Dosing coppersafe right now. Can someone recommend a more accurate dose. I have 20 ml. In a 40 breeder right now. Only checker I have is the chemetrics. If I can get close to 2.0 that would be great. Dose recommended on bottle is 5 ml. per 4 gallon which I am thinking is too high.
Thank you, Jim

You'll want to test to verify. The fact is, even knowing all the bottles are overdosed, we don't even know if any two bottles are the same. That said, this is how I dosed my 2 29g qt tanks. Both hold ~28g of water
30ml in qt1 was 2.07 so ~1.07 ml/g
25ml in qt2 was 1.81 so ~0.89 ml/g

 

[JMM744]

Ok, will get you some test results. Thank you very much.
Jim

 

[HotRocks]

Ok, will get you some test results. Thank you very much.
Jim

I know the results can be hard to read with visual methods, but if you dose the 1.25ml into 1 gallon, I think you will be able to tell if it's close to 3.0ppm hopefully. If it appears close to 3.0ppm and you test your QT and it looks at or slightly darker than 1.0ppm then we have a good baseline.

 

[HotRocks]

My issue is that as I am reading the chemetrics test is too vague, very wide range give or take. I would rather send it back and get a Hanna if that’s the one people are reasonably sure will give accurate results. The stuff I have (coppersafe) expires in June of 18.

Here are my steps so far. If in the end I need to use the test kit I will and eat the 70 or so bucks.
Fresh water dip for dot dash that was off food suddenly and staying in high flow area. Has small dots over tail area. Other fish were acting fine so went to step two.
Dosed cp bought off eBay. I have learned that this product might not be that great to use but I am hoping it will be somewhat affective at slowing things down.
I dosed knaplex for help with possible infections.
Started to dose copper 10 ml. at a time. 10last night and 10 this morning. I may go ahead and dose another 10 tonight.
Fish are all somewhat active but not taking food like yesterday. Dot dash is much more active but not eating. Royal gramma and flasher wrasse are both very subdued but I am running with lights off and just outside light and reduced overhead light when I am down dealing with them.
I can try getting an api test for copper tomorrow at petco and also furan 2.
Ok, if the consensus is to try the chemetrics test first I am all in. Otherwise will follow your advice. Appreciate your patience and advice

Sorry I just saw your edit. I would not recommend dosing anymore tonight until after you test baseline, obviously your choice though.

If you want to get the API kit and use it instead of opening the chemetrics I understand.

Keep in mind the Hanna checkers are on backorder, and at least 4 weeks out.

Am I reading correctly? Are you dosing CP, copper, and all of those antibiotics all together in the same QT? I think you might be playing with fire mixing that many meds all together. I have never personally used CP so I will let others elaborate on if the mixing of all those meds is safe. eBay CP is problematic, just because the purity is unknown unless purchased through a seller that requires a vet provided RX.

@Humblefish
@Big G
@4FordFamily
@melypr1985

 

[4FordFamily]

Are you dosing CP, copper, and all of those antibiotics all together in the same QT? I think you might be playing with fire mixing that many meds all together. I have never personally used CP so I will let others elaborate on if the mixing of all those meds is safe. eBay CP is problematic, just because the purity is unknown unless purchased through a seller that requires a vet provided RX.

Agree I wouldn’t mix, that’ll do some damage to the fish if that’s the case.

 

[Humblefish]

Agree I wouldn’t mix, that’ll do some damage to the fish if that’s the case.

The liver & kidneys have to filter any medication that a fish ingests when it drinks water. Having to filter too many meds all at once can damage both organs; sometimes fatally.

 

[JMM744]

The liver & kidneys have to filter any medication that a fish ingests when it drinks water. Having to filter too many meds all at once can damage both organs; sometimes fatally.

So the reading with 1 .25 ml in one gallon is 3
The reading in the qt is one at best with picture.
Maybe I misread but I though it was stated that cp could be mixed with copper. Also that the treatment for velvet was freshwater dip, bath in antiseptic and then copper with the addition of knaplex and or furan 2.
I can make a water change of 25/ 50 % or more if desired.

 

[JMM744]

Forgot picture from tank test

 

[JMM744]

Did about 20 gallon change of water and will run charcoal thru the night. Will test and dose coppersafe in the am before work.

 

[melypr1985]

Maybe I misread but I though it was stated that cp could be mixed with copper.

Definitely don't mix these two. That is incredibly difficult on the fish as Humblefish mentioned.

Also that the treatment for velvet was freshwater dip, bath in antiseptic and then copper with the addition of knaplex and or furan 2.

Yes, that's generally fine with care and need, but when you mix in the CP it gets incredibly dicey.

 

[HotRocks]

Did about 20 gallon change of water and will run charcoal thru the night. Will test and dose coppersafe in the am before work.

Keep in mind, running carbon will also remove copper.

The reason antibiotics are recommended is because the fish can suffer secondary infection from the parasite entry point. First attack would be copper. Watching out for infections. If a fish developed one you could remove and treat separately for that.

The freshwater dip is temporary relief and antiseptic obviously an infection preventative from the entrance site of the parasite.

If your baseline is 3.0ppm. 33ml should yeild around 2.0ppm for dosing copper.

 

[JMM744]

Thanks. I figured it would clear copper too. Didn’t feel I had an option. Thanks for your help. I will get copper up tomorrow.

 

[HotRocks]

Thanks. I figured it would clear copper too. Didn’t feel I had an option. Thanks for your help. I will get copper up tomorrow.

Probably best move, just to be safe. Good luck man, I've been in your position and it's stressful, I know all your trying to do is save your fish!

 

[Sashaka]

Maybe I misread but I though it was stated that cp could be mixed with copper. Also that the treatment for velvet was freshwater dip, bath in antiseptic and then copper with the addition of knaplex and or furan 2.

It may have been my thread where you read that I was mixing CopperPower and CP? If so, I am sorry if you were misled. Just to clarify, I am slowly switching over from CopperPower to CP by ramping up my CP. Once the CP is at effective level, the Copper Power will not be replaced in water changes, only the CP, so fish will not be in Copper Power and CP together long term, only in the CP long term. I feel my fish are too sick to stop meds at the medicinal level, so I am forced to add them together until the switch can be made. Because I have wrasses, fish that do not do well in CP, I cannot just dose CP at full strength, so I am ramping up the dose to medicinal level in hopes of not killing my wrasses. If I didn't already have CopperPower in the tank, I would have just dosed the tank with Metronidazole. Adding Metronidazole to the water can be an effective treatment for Brook, too. To make a long story short, because I had CopperPower in the tank, and I suspect Brook, I went with the CP as I feel these two meds are less likely to encourage a bacterial bloom, I hope.

I am also feeding Metro, Kano, and Furan2 with FOCUS to ward off infection. I am not dosing these 3 in the water while I treat with Copper Power or CP. To do so could cause a bacteria bloom that I'm not equipped to deal with in such a large tank. It's not recommended to mix antibiotics with other medications because it depletes oxygen levels and can create a bacterial bloom, which is a real pain to clear up and can stress fish even more. @Humblefish, @4FordFamily, and @HotRocks are very knowledgeable in the treatment of saltwater fish diseases. They are providing you with great support!

 

[JMM744]

I have read so much in the last week that I can not remember where I picked it up. I appreciate all the help everyone has been. I have two power filters ( hob), a powerhead creating surface movement and a bubbler going to try keeping the oxygen up. I will start with a clean or almost clean slate in the morning.
Thanks all.
jim

 

[HotRocks]

I have read so much in the last week that I can not remember where I picked it up. I appreciate all the help everyone has been. I have two power filters ( hob), a powerhead creating surface movement and a bubbler going to try keeping the oxygen up. I will start with a clean or almost clean slate in the morning.
Thanks all.
jim

How are your fish today?

 

[blkhwkz]

I emailed today and asked how long my items were backordered and they said my order should be in stock this week. So maybe they are getting them in stock earlier than expected.

 

[HotRocks]

I emailed today and asked how long my items were backordered and they said my order should be in stock this week. So maybe they are getting them in stock earlier than expected.

Did you order tester and reagents?
I don't know how long ago you ordered but, it has been a few weeks since all this began!

 

[blkhwkz]

Did you order tester and reagents?
I don't know how long ago you ordered but, it has been a few weeks since all this began!

Ordered March 31. Tester and 2 boxes of reagents.