Cause of Death Determination

[Tamberav]

I have used prazipro in the display, needs lots of aeration but subsequent treatments are less effective as bacteria breaks the med down. Watch for bacterial blooms if you go this route.

Difficulty of QT an entire display is a big reason why I QT everything that is wet. It is an absolute nightmare to deal with that many fish at once for an entire fallow period.

 

[Lostoften]

Just fed them again, they were all eating well. Able to get video of the tomini that shows markings on the one side of body.

 

[Lostoften]

Normal LFS is closed today, went to another nearby LFS to get prazipro and the owner believes it’s velvet. He is going to come and see tank himself to see fish in person.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Notice the blue morph doing this “darting” as well. Several of the tangs have been hanging out more in this front right corner as well. The wave maker is on the back wall of tank, mounted horizontally. Haven’t seen them swimming into the pump, directly but odd behavior in front of the glass.

So would the next logical step be to try and pull the blue morph for a fresh water dip (tap water) for 5 mins and see if any parasites are visible? Then if flukes visible, treat with prazi?

You can only see one species of fluke in dip water (Neobenedenia) unless you use a microscope.

I often run a prazi treatment if I suspect flukes as it is reef safe so the only drawback to running a treatment is the cost.

You would dose it for the tank’s net water volume, add good aeration, run any skimmers, but don’t collect the skimmate. Then, after 8 days, do a 25% water change and dose again.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Normal LFS is closed today, went to another nearby LFS to get prazipro and the owner believes it’s velvet. He is going to come and see tank himself to see fish in person.

Velvet will cause rapid breathing, not eating and hanging in water currents. The fish often die within 3 days of the onset of symptoms.

 

[BiggestE22]

Reading more about fluke treatment, would API general cure be a good option in display tank? Reading that its concentration is lower than other options which would be beneficial to the wrasse in the tank.

Fear of treating in QT tank is, one having a large enough tank to house fish and/or multiple tanks. Along with they aren't currently running, so if they experience an ammonia spike while away losing fish due to the setup not being ideal.

Prazi works in tank. Just make sure you adjust power heads to blow air bubbles into the tank cause the bacteria will consume a lot if oxygen.

 

[Lostoften]

LFS owner believed after seeing that it was velvet, and that he had success of saving shipments with Kick Ich along with Ruby Rally Pro. He said the gold standard of copper works, but he's had success with the combination and less stress on the fish of setting up QT. He believes there is a velvet and fluke infection going on.

Unfortunately on day 5 of RR/KI combo, going to try and get a QT tank up. Going to hope an old 40 gallon breeder can hold water and put the tangs, foxface, goby and clowns in it with Coppersafe. He said wrasses don't tolerate copper well so will run them with Prazipro then RR/KI after in a separate tank.

 

[Lostoften]

This was Tuesday night before treatment.

 

[Lostoften]

Sadly these were this morning. Most fish still eating well. The fairy didn’t eat this morning but ate well yesterday and looked normal yesterday.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Sadly these were this morning. Most fish still eating well. The fairy didn’t eat this morning but ate well yesterday and looked normal yesterday.

That’s not velvet - the fish are still eating and are not breathing too fast. Also, with velvet, most of the fish would have died by now.

I don’t see anything in the videos that would rule out flukes; that’s what I’d treat for first.

 

[Lostoften]

Thank you for being patient, and sorry for so many questions. Just dosed 35ml of PraziPro (164 gallon * .85) to the return section of the sump. I have the skimmer running at 100% with the cup off (directions state to not run skimmer), I have UV still turned off and all carbon removed. I am still running the reefmat. I have several air bubblers running in tank.

The LFS stated Prazipro is bad for LPS (torch and hammer especially), debated moving coral to my sons nano tank, but didn't want to risk introducing flukes/velvet to that system as well.

 

[Lostoften]

Next silly question, is there a thing as too much oxygen being added?

 

[vetteguy53081]

Not really as it

Reading more about fluke treatment, would API general cure be a good option in display tank? Reading that its concentration is lower than other options which would be beneficial to the wrasse in the tank.

Fear of treating in QT tank is, one having a large enough tank to house fish and/or multiple tanks. Along with they aren't currently running, so if they experience an ammonia spike while away losing fish due to the setup not being ideal.

although has Prazi is at low level. Best is Prazi Pro dosed at 80% of recommended and apply initial dosage known as an interval for 8 days, do a water change and do one more 8 day dose interval
Use airstone with prazi as it does reduce both oxygen and appetite. If running a skimmer, leave cup off first 24 hrs as skimmer will go nuts from the glycol solution in Prazi

 

[Lostoften]

Best is Prazi Pro dosed at 80%

You mean 80% of the 5ml per 20 gallon? Or reducing my display size by 20% to account for water displacement from rock/equipment and sand? Hopefully the later as I dosed it at 35mls (5ml/20g) due to 164*85%.

Hopefully this is the answer, and fish respond to this. Definitely looking forward to preparing to not being in this situation again vs. next steps in this scenario.

 

[vetteguy53081]

80% of the 5m/l

You mean 80% of the 5ml per 20 gallon? Or reducing my display size by 20% to account for water displacement from rock/equipment and sand? Hopefully the later as I dosed it at 35mls (5ml/20g) due to 164*85%.

Hopefully this is the answer, and fish respond to this. Definitely looking forward to preparing to not being in this situation again vs. next steps in this scenario.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

When prazipro hits the water, it forms a precipitate. When that lands on LPS, it will cause them to retract, but unless they have some other issue, they’ll be fine.

Thank you for being patient, and sorry for so many questions. Just dosed 35ml of PraziPro (164 gallon * .85) to the return section of the sump. I have the skimmer running at 100% with the cup off (directions state to not run skimmer), I have UV still turned off and all carbon removed. I am still running the reefmat. I have several air bubblers running in tank.

The LFS stated Prazipro is bad for LPS (torch and hammer especially), debated moving coral to my sons nano tank, but didn't want to risk introducing flukes/velvet to that system as well.

 

[Lostoften]

All fish, minus the presumed dead fairy, ate this morning. The yellow and leopard wrasses have begun scratching against rocks/sand beds. The purple is hiding more today, had been hanging in the corners of the tank.

 

[Lostoften]

Videos this morning

 

[Lostoften]

Lost another fish, Tomini was staying hidden most of yesterday, but did eat.

 

[Lostoften]

Purple tang