Bolus dosing

[Mo.]

Let’s clear one thing up here…

You’re saying that the videos introduce information NOT found in the official FM document on Bolus dosing?

If so, that is the height of laziness on FM’s part. Any decent scientist, company, person, etc would update the “official” document with that information.

FM is using a lot of “trust me bro” by adding new info only in videos. No reputable scientist or company would operate that way.

There are dozens of methods that have come and gone using the “trust me bro” approach. There are many popular methods using it today. Each one a fad that will disappear in time like they all do. The “founder” of each method can’t keep up with the evolving claims.

Please go tell Doug and Claude to properly update the official document with ALL information introduced in the videos. If they won’t, they’re hiding something.

No-

I’m saying that a document can’t be exhaustive and so the streams help to answer questions and invite discussion.

That is what any professional company would do.

What I find is that almost everybody on this thread has been too lazy to research it, which is fine, but you need more information to debunk it as a myth. What puzzles me is why after so many months, nobody has been inquisitive enough to challenge the stream or even Claude, if you don’t believe it.

I’m thought it was strange, but I tired it and came up with similar results to what they said- which surprised me.

I found this thread challenging it, but over the months I’ve been looking in, you e just been going around in circles and listening to hearsay, rather than investigate what supportive information they have provided in the streams.

Their document isn’t going to provide details of what others have found, how it’s been received. Who else has tried it etc etc…

They had a live stream q&a - none of you challenged them directly.

That’s why I piped up with my results, which I knew would be hard work and possibly insulting, but it would maybe stimulate discussion to answer the observation….

But belittling it by statement such as low consumption , with measurement error. Thats just insulting my intelligence and possibly yours…..

 

[Garf]

do you mean this??? have you ever tried taking your skimmer offline for a few days and see what happens to ph??

not to mention a shift in nutrients

and yes i know this for sure!
after my new skimmer pump arrived and running my consumption is going up again!!

I ain't got a skimmer and add CO2 to limit pH, I wouldn't do a video on it and suggest folks follow it for cudos or likes though.

 

[Mo.]

There is a lot of that in this hobby be it additive or hardware. Look - this new light will make corals grow because of the added UV or our spectrum....

Yes- that’s very true.

Almost across the board. Hobby sales rely on it.

So I had the reservations too.

I had the same with led’s - look at them now.

Ehsan had the same with ICP- look at it now. He had the same with his white and blue Lani leds, but did you see his tank??!!

Similarly- I was sceptical until my results on the apex ( I couldn’t make them up) were the same as what was claimed by FM.

I think it’s real, but I don’t know why….

 

[rtparty]

can you prove that?

can you take your skimmer offline and show this?

Currently? No. My tank is gone and I don’t have the Apex charts from that long ago.

What I can say is I removed my skimmer to clean it once, broke an essential part, and had to wait over 2 weeks for the new part to arrive. My tank ran with no skimmer for that time. Nothing changed. It actually made me raise the question if my system needed a skimmer at all.

A protein skimmer can lower, maintain, and/or raise pH. Again, depends on the system, your house, and ambient CO2 levels. To claim a skimmer will raise pH 100% of the time is patently false.

 

[DutchReefer420]

Currently? No. My tank is gone and I don’t have the Apex charts from that long ago.

What I can say is I removed my skimmer to clean it once, broke an essential part, and had to wait over 2 weeks for the new part to arrive. My tank ran with no skimmer for that time. Nothing changed. It actually made me raise the question if my system needed a skimmer at all.

A protein skimmer can lower, maintain, and/or raise pH. Again, depends on the system, your house, and ambient CO2 levels. To claim a skimmer will raise pH 100% of the time is patently false.

you have other problems around the tank if a skimmer is not raising ph....
as the ambient air this is not the fault of a skimmer

 

[rtparty]

No-

I’m saying that a document can’t be exhaustive and so the streams help to answer questions and invite discussion.

That is what any professional company would do.

What I find is that almost everybody on this thread has been too lazy to research it, which is fine, but you need more information to debunk it as a myth. What puzzles me is why after so many months, nobody has been inquisitive enough to challenge the stream or even Claude, if you don’t believe it.

I’m thought it was strange, but I tired it and came up with similar results to what they said- which surprised me.

I found this thread challenging it, but over the months I’ve been looking in, you e just been going around in circles and listening to hearsay, rather than investigate what supportive information they have provided in the streams.

Their document isn’t going to provide details of what others have found, how it’s been received. Who else has tried it etc etc…

They had a live stream q&a - none of you challenged them directly.

That’s why I piped up with my results, which I knew would be hard work and possibly insulting, but it would maybe stimulate discussion to answer the observation….

But belittling it by statement such as low consumption , with measurement error. Thats just insulting my intelligence and possibly yours…..

A document actually can be exhaustive and a good scientist would want it to be. Especially when making claims that fly in the face of already established scientific principles.

 

[rtparty]

you have other problems around the tank if a skimmer is not raising ph....
as the ambient air this is not the fault of a skimmer

Again, false. A skimmer will not raise pH 100% of the time

 

[Mo.]

Nope. Just claims surrounding it by someone with a financial benefit

But it’s an existing product that is already hugely successful for many years?.

Yes- he runs a business, but I don’t think he needs to drum up more business. He’s arguably one of the worlds most successful at it?

 

[DutchReefer420]

Again, false. A skimmer will not raise pH 100% of the time

why would a skimmer not raise PH?
besides bad ambient air or a high PH in the tank?

 

[rtparty]

But it’s an existing product that is already hugely successful for many years?.

Yes- he runs a business, but I don’t think he needs to drum up more business. He’s arguably one of the worlds most successful at it?

Oh, he’s been advocating the bolus method from day one? I was not aware of that.

 

[Mo.]

A document actually can be exhaustive and a good scientist would want it to be. Especially when making claims that fly in the face of already established scientific principles.

No- you’re wrong.

Good articles always have supplements and are always discussed at conferences with the authors and referenced in textbooks with commentary subsequently….

 

[rtparty]

why would a skimmer not raise PH?
besides bad ambient air or a high PH in the tank?

Your claim was if someone takes a skimmer offline they WILL see a drop in pH and consumption. That may or may not be true.

 

[Mo.]

Oh, he’s been advocating the bolus method from day one? I was not aware of that.

No- but his balling salts have been sold for more years than almost almost all others and they have been copied.

This is just an alternative method of using them that’s all….

 

[rtparty]

No- you’re wrong.

Good articles always have supplements and are always discussed at conferences with the authors and referenced in textbooks with commentary subsequently….

Correct. The documents are updated as more information is provided. I simply asked if Claude had done this.

When Randy debunked the claims in the document, he had not done so.

 

[Mo.]

Congrats I guess on reducing your alk consumption while dosing the same amount. I guess we have different goals in reefing

That’s silly. You’ve seen my tanks. You know my goals.

 

[DutchReefer420]

Your claim was if someone takes a skimmer offline they WILL see a drop in pH and consumption. That may or may not be true.

if your not seeing that drop you got enough other problems to worry about
when using a skimmer

 

[rtparty]

No- but his balling salts have been sold for more years than almost almost all others and they have been copied.

This is just an alternative method of using them that’s all….

You’re missing my point. The “bolus method” is new and just so happens to come from someone who has financial ties with the method and claims only their supplements work.

 

[Mo.]

Please go tell Doug and Claude to properly update the official document with ALL information introduced in the videos. If they won’t, they’re hiding something.

Thats a foolish comment. And all just because guys don’t want to watch the supplementary info. …

You can challenge them yourselves. I don’t think they are hiding.

 

[danimal1211]

No- but his balling salts have been sold for more years than almost almost all others and they have been copied.

This is just an alternative method of using them that’s all….

Advocating a new method that should only be safely performed with his product is a means of attracting new sales.

 

[Garf]

Underhand insults are not called for…

Any more space in the sand to get any more heads in….. what a joke.

Left leg in and you’re right leg out?? In out??? lol

Well you’re still having a laugh….