Bayer coral dip in display tank??

[EricR]

Peroxide will not work for the overall rock, it’s more of a spot treatment (other users please comment)

Goal would be to kill the alleged "bugs" -- whether or not it would work, I don't know but seems semi-reasonable.

 

[cooltowncorals]

Which Bayer dip?

I thought the bayer dip commonly used had nicotine as the active ingredient not like a crazy pesticide.

If all the rising works with corals not sure why it wouldn’t work on a whole rock.

Side note this may be bad advice but I see the logic doing it just like a coral dip.

I’ve dipped colonies on small rocks with no issues before.

 

[alanr3]

Keep it isolate and try not to introduce anything that would nuke your tank

 

[Tamberav]

I would not use bayer on a rock... I have seen this done and it killed a bunch of inverts (shrimps/crabs, can't remember if snails?) because they could not get it all off well enough. My guess is because rock is porous.

Have you tried tank water + enough peroxide to bubble? I have done that with rocks for bryopsis. It will kill the worms/dusters/coralline too though. It absolutely can't touch SPS.

It is actually a common zoa dip for killing algae.

 

[vetteguy53081]

I've tried iodine. Did nothing. Tell me more about this peroxide. Do you think this would kill the bugs

Again - what bugs- Gret or black, zoa siders, pods or ??

 

[alindell]

Bayer is a pesticide. It kills pests. It’s banned in many places.

Big big risk in my mind.

Your call.

Yah I'm thinking it's not worth it. I'm probably going to set this quarantine tank up and isolate this rock for a little bit and try out a fw dip and some other things. I'll probably end up dipping in Bayer but I won't Introduce the rock in the display until it's been a couple isolated and water changes performed in the quarantine

 

[alindell]

Again - what bugs- Gret or black, zoa siders, pods or ??

From what I can tell they are black bugs. Little tiny black specs. They move quickly over the polyps. I'm pretty they are not spiders as rx would have killed them. I just took out one random zoa frag I found in the tank that I saw had them on it too frag that had it and probably did a 10x normal dose of coral rx on it and after 10 minutes they were still moving around. I then did a Bayer dip and noticed nothing moving around. They are very hard to spot. Too small to picture. Wish I had more info. The best I can see is like a black little speck that kinda looks like a mite. They must be different than ones I had on my SPS as those died really easily as rx, Bayer, and interceptor all killed them.

 

[alindell]

I would not use bayer on a rock... I have seen this done and it killed a bunch of inverts (shrimps/crabs, can't remember if snails?) because they could not get it all off well enough. My guess is because rock is porous.

Have you tried tank water + enough peroxide to bubble? I have done that with rocks for bryopsis. It will kill the worms/dusters/coralline too though. It absolutely can't touch SPS.

It is actually a common zoa dip for killing algae.

Never used peroxide as I've only seen it used for algea

 

[Tamberav]

Never used peroxide as I've only seen it used for algea

It kills a lot of critters as well.

 

[Solo McReefer]

nicotine

Imidacloprid is the ingredient

 

[alindell]

So what do you guys think my game plan should be. Peroxide, FW dip, Bayer as a last resort

 

[vetteguy53081]

From what I can tell they are black bugs. Little tiny black specs. They move quickly over the polyps. I'm pretty they are not spiders as rx would have killed them. I just took out one random zoa frag I found in the tank that I saw had them on it too frag that had it and probably did a 10x normal dose of coral rx on it and after 10 minutes they were still moving around. I then did a Bayer dip and noticed nothing moving around. They are very hard to spot. Too small to picture. Wish I had more info. The best I can see is like a black little speck that kinda looks like a mite. They must be different than ones I had on my SPS as those died really easily as rx, Bayer, and interceptor all killed them.

Dip rarely works for black bugs and most effective in interceptor pills which can be used within tank but precisely. It is a pill that has to be obtained from a veterinarian doctor.
Do realize interceptor can and will likely kill inverts, crabs-shrimps-pods and I therefore recommend removing all inverts OR treat the coral in a separate tank without inverts and will also reduce amount of the interceptor needed.
Treat 3 times a week for 3 weeks at 25mg per 20 gallons of water. Each pill needs to be ground up with a hammer and should treat about 400 gal. Do application initially. About 8 hours later, add another. Then blow the coral GENTLY with a turkey baster and 8 hours later add another dosage. DO NOT repeat until day 7 doing another 3 treaments every 8 hours.
REMOVE CARBON AND TURN OFF ANY UV STERILIZERS AND SKIMMER UNITS.
Each 7 day periods, do a water change and siphon surfaces.

1. You need the 51-100lb (23mg) plain interceptor (not plus)
2. 1 pill per 100g at a minimum
3. Treat every week for 3 weeks

 

[alindell]

Dip rarely works for black bugs and most effective in interceptor pills which can be used within tank but precisely. It is a pill that has to be obtained from a veterinarian doctor.
Do realize interceptor can and will likely kill inverts, crabs-shrimps-pods and I therefore recommend removing all inverts OR treat the coral in a separate tank without inverts and will also reduce amount of the interceptor needed.
Treat 3 times a week for 3 weeks at 25mg per 20 gallons of water. Each pill needs to be ground up with a hammer and should treat about 400 gal. Do application initially. About 8 hours later, add another. Then blow the coral GENTLY with a turkey baster and 8 hours later add another dosage. DO NOT repeat until day 7 doing another 3 treaments every 8 hours.
REMOVE CARBON AND TURN OFF ANY UV STERILIZERS AND SKIMMER UNITS.
Each 7 day periods, do a water change and siphon surfaces.

1. You need the 51-100lb (23mg) plain interceptor (not plus)
2. 1 pill per 100g at a minimum
3. Treat every week for 3 weeks

Oh I already did this. Like I was saying earlier it killed all the bugs on my SPS but not zoa's. I did 3 doses... 1, 23 mg pill, then 2 and even 3 for 150 gallons. Killed my shrimp too.

 

[maroun.c]

Maybe try a few of the bugs if u can catch them or take out a small zoa piece with bugs on it and place in fw for some.time.abd see if it kills them, that's the safest bet( do not dip the other corals than zoas in FW) if that doesn't work I'd just take out a few frags of each zoa bleach the rock and restart the zoa garden after ur sure all rocks or the tank have been dipped/treated.

 

[Uncle99]

Yah I'm thinking it's not worth it. I'm probably going to set this quarantine tank up and isolate this rock for a little bit and try out a fw dip and some other things. I'll probably end up dipping in Bayer but I won't Introduce the rock in the display until it's been a couple isolated and water changes performed in the quarantine

Great call IMM.

Unfortunately I’ve read both that it works and doesn’t, on some Acros for red bug, but not for the eggs. I’ve not seen black bugs before.

I also read posts that indicate losses. Maybe overdosed IDK.

What I saw in the pics is some really nice stuff for the most part.

What I did find is on some bio advance products, a disclaimer that stated “not to be used on invertebrates or fish”, but only on some of their insecticides.

This has already been said, @maroun.c but is a great idea IMO, If you could capture a few of these bugs by sucking them up, and put them in “test” with your least expensive Zoa, then, that would at least limit losses.

Good luck

 

[Sabellafella]

I know this stuff is bad, but does it soak into the rock and leech. I want to get rid of these pests. Im kinda on my last limb with these black bugs on my zoa's. Ive had 9x strength interceptor, I've dipped the whole rock in iodine and coral Rx

Try using prazipro 8 ml per gallon for a 5 minute dip. Potassium chloride Or Do the bayer for 20 30 minutes.

I've done entire rocks in bayer before and have not had any negative results. Just flush it out and soak with clean saltwater to the best of your ability before adding the rock back.

 

[alindell]

So I decided to dip the entire rock. I set up a QT and dipped the rock in Bayer and melafix I did 3 cups of Bayer and 160 ml of melafix for 4 gallons of water. Rinsed the rock and moved it into the QT. About 5 minutes later I noticed I killed a brittle star and some spaghetti worms, but I took a very close look with a magnifying glass and maybe I got most of them as it was hard to spot anything alive, but I still see a couple basterds moving around on my zoas. These frickin things are like impossible to kill. I'm not giving up yet. I have a 20 gallon tank with a light on top. I really want to figure out how to kill these things.

Next is fresh water dip, I could try hydrogen peroxide, and potassium chloride. Anyone got any other suggestions. These things have survived interceptor, melafix, Bayer, iodine and coral rx.

 

[fishguy242]

Freshwater

 

[GatorGreg]

dang my dude. You’re going full blown Dale Gribble the exterminator from King of the Hill on these demons.

I’m rooting for you. Good luck

 

[alindell]

dang my dude. You’re going full blown Dale Gribble the exterminator from King of the Hill on these demons.

I’m rooting for you. Good luck

Yah I'm determined to kill them. I've heard Bayer triple strength might work, but I'm thinking freshwater dip is next.