Banggai Cardinalfish to be banned!? Even aquacultured ones!?

[jda]

...so are you hitching all of our wagons for the future of the hobby on Indo now caring and doing something, or not? It is an easy question.

I don't know if the wild populations will ever recover. I do know that if the US bans wild collection for our hobby that people will look other places for the blame. I am nearly positive that if we do not ban and the wild population get worse then it will be easier and easier to ban things that might not require it like these do.

Were you not around when clownfish bans from certain parts of the ocean were the reason that captive raise clown became a thing? Local governments started serious restrictions after Nemo fearing the worst - the good governments. I miss Soloman Island True Percs, but they needed to be banned, or at least severly limited. I guess you probably did not know about this since it was actual restriction and not hope that got this going.

 

[jabberwock]

I do not think this hobby is important enough to DEMAND import of a fish used for ornamental purposes.

Really good and important point here. It is not about feeding hungry people or supplying medicine.

It is about entertaining us as hobbyists.

 

[CheckeredPants]

Is it to hard for you to ask yourself? Or you don't really want to know because it won't change your opinion, I am guessing. Just trying to poke at me for not questioning what you think I should. I'm more curious about the claims that everything is already captive bred anyways so who cares. I have asked multiple times in this thread what those stats are, both for captive breeding here in the US and importation statistics (wild-caught, captive bred, aquaculture) and no one seems to know, but are still supporting a ban despite not knowing actual statistics. Everywhere I search people interchange captive bred with aquaculture and it doesn't look like NOAA differentiates either. If you are going to ban something shouldn't you know the granular statistics of what you are banning? Seems like Step 1 to me, which is why I question claims of percentages.

There is little data provided, even in the official proposal. It is estimated that around 120,000 Bangaii are imported to the U.S. from less than five providers overseas (roughly 500,000-600,000 globally) annually. These sales account for around 6% of their total annual revenue. There seems to be no "statistics" to validate claims for either side honestly. I agree with you and also recommend questioning the idea that captive breeding stateside is "difficult" yet there are local reefers I have met over the years that breed clowns and cardinals easily. It boils down to the fact that even with so-called "captive-bred" efforts overseas the natural Bangaii population is still declining, so authorities are considering banning all imports/exports, which to me makes sense. Didn't mean to come off trying to "poke at" you.

 

[Outlaw Corals]

I hope the ban goes through, i can’t stand those fish, a totally boring and useless fish

 

[Malum Argenteum]

I hope the ban goes through, i can’t stand those fish, a totally boring and useless fish

Yeah, we should ban everything one guy doesn't see the value of. Excellent idea.

 

[Outlaw Corals]

I’m just one person speaking for myself that’s all i said, I’m just one person not in favor of signing anything to block it, I’m sure a lot more people will be signing then not, either way I could care less about that stupid fish

 

[Northern Flicker]

I’m just one person speaking for myself that’s all i said, I’m just one person not in favor of signing anything to block it, I’m sure a lot more people will be signing then not, either way I could care less about that stupid fish

Bengaii's are cool.

 

[Malum Argenteum]

either way I could care less about that stupid fish

Well, you care enough to post twice about it. That fish steal your lunch money or something?

 

[Daniel@R2R]

Hey folks, let's keep this civil. Everyone is entitled to their opinions about specific fish or the ban in general. Heckling one another over a difference of opinion is a violation of our terms of service. Let's keep things friendly in this community.

 

[Outlaw Corals]

Well, you care enough to post twice about it. That fish steal your lunch money or something?

No, I just really despise them boring, stupid, dumb fish. They just stay in the middle of the water column and don’t move.

 

[Northern Flicker]

No, I just really despise them boring, stupid, dumb fish. They just stay in the middle of the water column and don’t move.

I personally feel expensive highlighter torches are for suckers! What say ye good sir!

 

[Outlaw Corals]

I personally feel expensive highlighter torches are for suckers! What say ye good sir!

I totally agree with you. That’s why I buy wholesale.