White dot parasite??

[BxstardXI]

She had it before in august and survived it, but i think she got it again last week. I started the "cobrasal femsal" treatment added garlic in the sump and turned the heat to 28degrees for 2 days (I have corals). It seemed to be gone but now I think its coming back?? But im not sure cuz its not white spots that pop out of the skin but more sorts off inside of it??
(I feed with garlic guard aswell)

I cant take her out, theres over 90kg of glued rock and she hides fast! Please tell me what to do cuz I dont want my other fish to die again and have it repeat all over.

Or do i just do the same again as last week?

I live in europe (netherlands to be exact) american medication is not possible for me to get

Cuz she swims so fast I cant take good pictures either but these are the ones that show it a bit

Thanks in advance guys

 

[Dburr1014]

Fish trap?
How big is she?
The spots will keep coming.
You can do ich management but could flare up at any time.

Thread 'Ich eradication vs. Ich management' https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/ich-eradication-vs-ich-management.188775/

 

[threebuoys]

I see numerous small white spots particularly in the first photo. This could very well be ich. I am not familiar with the treatment protocol you mentioned. If this is ich, the life cycle of the parasite will require treatment for a month to eradicate the parasite. Do you have access to any product that contains copper? Perhaps Seachem cupramine?

Ich starts slowly with a few spots. After several days, the spots disappear only to reappear in several more days and in greater number due to aforementioned life cycled. This cycle continues until the spots remain constantly.

Unfortunately, copper cannot be administered in a reef tank with coral and invertebrates. The link below explains the protocol we recommend.


EDIT: I should add, if you are able to remove all of your fish into a QT, you could use hyposalinity to treat ich. The display tank would need to remain fallow for 6 - 8 weeks however before you can re-introduce the fish.

 

[Dburr1014]

I see numerous small white spots particularly in the first photo. This could very well be ich. I am not familiar with the treatment protocol you mentioned. If this is ich, the life cycle of the parasite will require treatment for a month to eradicate the parasite. Do you have access to any product that contains copper? Perhaps Seachem cupramine?

Ich starts slowly with a few spots. After several days, the spots disappear only to reappear in several more days and in greater number due to aforementioned life cycled. This cycle continues until the spots remain constantly.

Unfortunately, copper cannot be administered in a reef tank with coral and invertebrates. The link below explains the protocol we recommend.


EDIT: I should add, if you are able to remove all of your fish into a QT, you could use hyposalinity to treat ich. The display tank would need to remain fallow for 6 - 8 weeks however before you can re-introduce the fish.

I think you forgot the link.

Never mind, I turn my phone sideways and there it is, LOL.

 

[threebuoys]

I think you forgot the link.

The link appears in the signature block below the post. Sometimes it does not show on cell phones.

here it is again.

Thanks for pointing it out.

Current Quarantine Protocol

2023 Quarantine Procedures Jay Hemdal David Scarborough Protozoans (Cryptocaryon/ich, Amyloodinium/velvet) and Metazoan trematodes/flukes are by far the most common parasites found on newly acquired fish. A carefully managed quarantine process can effectively eliminate these parasites before...

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[BxstardXI]

I see numerous small white spots particularly in the first photo. This could very well be ich. I am not familiar with the treatment protocol you mentioned. If this is ich, the life cycle of the parasite will require treatment for a month to eradicate the parasite. Do you have access to any product that contains copper? Perhaps Seachem cupramine?

Ich starts slowly with a few spots. After several days, the spots disappear only to reappear in several more days and in greater number due to aforementioned life cycled. This cycle continues until the spots remain constantly.

Unfortunately, copper cannot be administered in a reef tank with coral and invertebrates. The link below explains the protocol we recommend.


EDIT: I should add, if you are able to remove all of your fish into a QT, you could use hyposalinity to treat ich. The display tank would need to remain fallow for 6 - 8 weeks however before you can re-introduce the fish.

Well if its itch I got no choice, found an old trap I had. My grandpa cut the string off a while ago so had to improvise

Ill try to catch it but so far all the wrong ones go in it but them. I have the copper medication specifically for quarantine so thats good

Thank you for letting me know I have to get her outa there

 

[threebuoys]

Well if its itch I got no choice, found an old trap I had. My grandpa cut the string off a while ago so had to improvise

Ill try to catch it but so far all the wrong ones go in it but them. I have the copper medication specifically for quarantine so thats good

Thank you for letting me know I have to get her outa there

One more thing, if this is ich you will need to treat all fish to erradicate the parasite from the tank. Even when the other fish do not display the typical white spots, they can be carriers. I know that makes treatment more challenging. The display tank will need to remain fallow in any case, whether you treat with copper or with hyposalinity in the QT.

 

[vetteguy53081]

She had it before in august and survived it, but i think she got it again last week. I started the "cobrasal femsal" treatment added garlic in the sump and turned the heat to 28degrees for 2 days (I have corals). It seemed to be gone but now I think its coming back?? But im not sure cuz its not white spots that pop out of the skin but more sorts off inside of it??
(I feed with garlic guard aswell)

I cant take her out, theres over 90kg of glued rock and she hides fast! Please tell me what to do cuz I dont want my other fish to die again and have it repeat all over.

Or do i just do the same again as last week?

I live in europe (netherlands to be exact) american medication is not possible for me to get

Cuz she swims so fast I cant take good pictures either but these are the ones that show it a bit

Thanks in advance guys

I see the development of what this fish is susceptible to which are mucus cones often beginning with skin irritation and is mixed in with ich. The weird thing is , often the other tankmates show no signs. Do keep an eye on them for any development , but in the mean time, treat the hepatus tang in a separate treatment tank with coppersafe at treatment level 2.25 for a full 30 days, and monitor level with Hanna brand copper kit which is reliable.

 

[BxstardXI]

One more thing, if this is ich you will need to treat all fish to erradicate the parasite from the tank. Even when the other fish do not display the typical white spots, they can be carriers. I know that makes treatment more challenging. The display tank will need to remain fallow in any case, whether you treat with copper or with hyposalinity in the QT.

I started giving Femsal the day i noticed the white spots coming so im hoping they all got their doses of medicine fast enough to stop te spreading. The tang is in quarantine rn, glad the trap worked. Gave the first doses of Cobrasal (the one with copper)

I really hope I dont have to take out all the other fish cuz thats gonna require me to take out all the rock and corals as i have a few who barely leave the reef

 

[Jay Hemdal]

She had it before in august and survived it, but i think she got it again last week. I started the "cobrasal femsal" treatment added garlic in the sump and turned the heat to 28degrees for 2 days (I have corals). It seemed to be gone but now I think its coming back?? But im not sure cuz its not white spots that pop out of the skin but more sorts off inside of it??
(I feed with garlic guard aswell)

I cant take her out, theres over 90kg of glued rock and she hides fast! Please tell me what to do cuz I dont want my other fish to die again and have it repeat all over.

Or do i just do the same again as last week?

I live in europe (netherlands to be exact) american medication is not possible for me to get

Cuz she swims so fast I cant take good pictures either but these are the ones that show it a bit

Thanks in advance guys

What is “cobras femsol” - I couldn’t find any aquarium medication with that name, but there are human medications with similar names.

Garlic won’t cure active ick infections, it might have minor inhibitory effects, but it won’t fully cure this disease.

 

[BxstardXI]

What is “cobras femsol” - I couldn’t find any aquarium medication with that name, but there are human medications with similar names.

Garlic won’t cure active ick infections, it might have minor inhibitory effects, but it won’t fully cure this disease.

Thats probably cuz its a dutch brand, im not sure if they sell world wide. These are the products I use. The left one is reef safe and the blue one is not

Im suspecting my butterfly has it too as they have white freckels on the tail, I do not know how on earth im going to get that one out. It only eats copepods or other small vertebrae in the rocks so it never goes far enough from it for me to catch and also leaves when it sees a net. Trap wont work for it

Man im f*cking screwed aren't I

 

[Dburr1014]

Full tank shot to see how to get them all out.
You can do this.

 

[BxstardXI]

Full tank shot to see how to get them all out.
You can do this.

Heres my tank,

I also ordered 2 cleaner shrimp that should arrive tomorrow and more vitamins just incase, if it helps it helps if not well ****...

my quarantine tank isnt big enough for them all its a 70L (not fully filled rn tho) I'll add an image of that aswell

 

[Dburr1014]

Heres my tank,

I also ordered 2 cleaner shrimp that should arrive tomorrow and more vitamins just incase, if it helps it helps if not well ****...

my quarantine tank isnt big enough for them all its a 70L (not fully filled rn tho) I'll add an image of that aswell

I don't see a whole lot of coral in there. But I do see a big fish.

Can you find a bigger qt somewhere? Or a tub like Rubbermaid?

Put the coral/rock in the smaller tank and fish out the fish. Put them in the bigger qt/tub. Put the rock back in the display.

 

[BxstardXI]

I don't see a whole lot of coral in there. But I do see a big fish.

Can you find a bigger qt somewhere? Or a tub like Rubbermaid?

Put the coral/rock in the smaller tank and fish out the fish. Put them in the bigger qt/tub. Put the rock back in the display.

I do think I have a bigger plastic tub but im not sure if its good enough cuz there will be no hiding places then

Wouldn't it be too stressfull for the fish that theyd drop dead? (My biggest concern aswell otherwise I would have already done it) cuz I cant get all the rocks out and they will still have places to hide. And since the treatment can take a few weeks how will it effect them being locked in a pretty small space for a while. Wouldn't it be better if i cleared/cleaned out the sump and placed them in there?? Ill dump the medicine water and clean it with vinegar after, I have an external skimmer still laying around I can use for the tank(hope it still works then) just not sure how id heat the sump with not moving water...

Also wont it affect the corals to be moved continuously? Will it affect the water quality? How long can i leave the coral rocks in the container? Do I need to hurry and do it quickly or slowly? Like do need to add in suplements against nitrate? (If im using the correct term they sound so similar to me im sorry)

Im so sorry for all these questions im just incredibly scared of them dying cuz i make the wrong moves/actions. i care for them so deeply yknow. And i really appreciate you trying to help me out with this, thank you

Is it possible to private message you on here so its easier to communicate? Im not entirely sure how it all works here

 

[BxstardXI]

I don't see a whole lot of coral in there. But I do see a big fish.

Can you find a bigger qt somewhere? Or a tub like Rubbermaid?

Put the coral/rock in the smaller tank and fish out the fish. Put them in the bigger qt/tub. Put the rock back in the display.

I just called my dad to ask him to help me move everything, he said hed be willing to get a 180L tank and some plastic rocks for them to hide as new quarantine tank, i can move the heater there and make sure theres water circulation and an air bubble thing. Would it need to be filtered aswell? Seeing that the treatment says to not have water changes unless as emergency. I can add Seachem Prime to remove the nitrates and ammonia in the quarantine tank

 

[Dburr1014]

Deep breath
Let's break this down.
Let communicate here incase I say something false or a better idea comes up.

I do think I have a bigger plastic tub but im not sure if its good enough cuz there will be no hiding places then

Most people use pvc pipe for hiding spots. Zip-tie some together for bigger ones.

How big is the tub? If not big enough, maybe use that for some fish and another tub for the rest of the fish.

Wouldn't it be too stressfull for the fish that theyd drop dead? (My biggest concern aswell otherwise I would have already done it) cuz I cant get all the rocks out and they will still have places to hide. And since the treatment can take a few weeks how will it effect them being locked in a pretty small space for a while. Wouldn't it be better if i cleared/cleaned out the sump and placed them in there?? Ill dump the medicine water and clean it with vinegar after, I have an external skimmer still laying around I can use for the tank(hope it still works then) just not sure how id heat the sump with not moving water...

Stress on fish bring in a smaller place? As long as they can hide our out of site line from another fish they should be fine.
A skimmer used on a treatment tank will take out the meds. So no skimmer.
Just a small heater, hang on back filter and a air bubbler is all that's needed for a qt. Sponge material that was in the display for a week goes in the hob filter.

Also wont it affect the corals to be moved continuously? Will it affect the water quality? How long can i leave the coral rocks in the container? Do I need to hurry and do it quickly or slowly? Like do need to add in suplements against nitrate? (If im using the correct term they sound so similar to me im sorry)

Corals will be fine, they can adapt, as long as their needs are met. Some coral are out of water for an hour in the wild in full sun.
Just take the rocks out, put them in a container with some water. It should not take you more than 30 minutes to get the fish out of the tank. Put the rock back in.
Don't worry about nitrate/phosphate or any of that for now.

 

[Dburr1014]

I just called my dad to ask him to help me move everything, he said hed be willing to get a 180L tank and some plastic rocks for them to hide as new quarantine tank, i can move the heater there and make sure theres water circulation and an air bubble thing. Would it need to be filtered aswell? Seeing that the treatment says to not have water changes unless as emergency. I can add Seachem Prime to remove the nitrates and ammonia in the quarantine tank

Prime does not work for ammonia.
Micro bactor 7 on a sponge to seed, put in a hob filter.

 

[BxstardXI]

Prime does not work for ammonia.
Micro bactor 7 on a sponge to seed, put in a hob filter.

I have a Eheim pickup200 and "Oceanart Reef Balance" would that work?? So its better get the bigger new tank and move all fish in there instead of the sump??

So Just to check if it is : bigger tank, eheim, heater, air, and the supplement + medicine. Is that do able for min 2 weeks without water changes?? It wont harm the fish?

 

[Dburr1014]

I have a Eheim pickup200 and "Oceanart Reef Balance" would that work?? So its better get the bigger new tank and move all fish in there instead of the sump??

So Just to check if it is : bigger tank, eheim, heater, air, and the supplement + medicine. Is that do able for min 2 weeks without water changes?? It wont harm the fish?

Check the tank rating for the pump, I don't know what it is.

If the Oceanart Reef Balance has nitrifying bacteria, yes.

This will probably be longer than 2 weeks. 4 weeks in copper for the fish but the tank needs to be fallow for 76ish days.

You can do water changes.

Follow this protocol :

Thread 'Current Quarantine Protocol' https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/current-quarantine-protocol.825055/