Troubles with Popeye continue

[Jay Hemdal]

Jay, you did it wrong and maybe you used that same needle on a horse before you used it on a fish.

You remove the bubble or fluid with the needle then inject a small amount of antibiotic behind the eye, then draw it out. I also have done it dozens of times and never killed or blinded a patient. Sometimes their insurance doesn't cover it so I have to do it for free but it always worked.

Sometimes, I agree it comes back and a second treatment is necessary just like when we go to a doctor, many times it doesn't work the first time.
But if we had Pop Eye they would first "fix" it by drawing out the fluid, then if necessary, medicate behind the eye.

Just using medication may cause the fish to lose the eye before the medication worked, if it ever works.

Paul, I’ve done this procedure hundreds of times and had it give a permanent cure less than half a dozen times. I’ve also had my veterinarians do their magic, and got the same dismal results.

You do know that bacteria are not the cause of trauma induced exophthalmia, right? I’ve used acetamolizide (diamox) to reduce gas production, but that only gives temporary relief.

Jay

 

[Paul B]

You do know that bacteria are not the cause of trauma induced exophthalmia, right?

Yes I do but there are an enormous, inexplicable, unimaginable things I do not know. But I have cured my moorish Idol Permanently and my 34 year old Fireclown who is still living and has 20/20 vision. I guess it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Pop Eye is also not usually caused by Trama.

But either way, even if it comes back, it gives some relief, then you do it again because usually when it comes back, it is not as bad. I feel medication almost never works as the affliction normally clears on it's own anyway,

That space behind the fishes eye is a stupid way to build a fishes skull as it is very hard for any medication or anything to get back there as it is sealed except for that small hole for the optic nerve.

But for any symptom on any creature where either fluid, gas or Cola Cola builds up in any area, including the brain in a Human the first line of defense or treatment is to drain it. Then if you like you can use medication if you feel that will work.

But what do I know?

 

[Reefer1978]

Can you remind me - was this fish treated for flukes after the other one was introduced? And - which regimen did you use (I'm sorry if you mentioned already - and I think it was discussed already)

Yes, Prazi, within 24 hours of me realizing there was exposure.

Jay, you did it wrong and maybe you used that same needle on a horse before you used it on a fish.

You remove the bubble or fluid with the needle then inject a small amount of antibiotic behind the eye, then draw it out. I also have done it dozens of times and never killed or blinded a patient. Sometimes their insurance doesn't cover it so I have to do it for free but it always worked.

Sometimes, I agree it comes back and a second treatment is necessary just like when we go to a doctor, many times it doesn't work the first time.
But if we had Pop Eye they would first "fix" it by drawing out the fluid, then if necessary, medicate behind the eye.

Just using medication may cause the fish to lose the eye before the medication worked, if it ever works.

but I am still afraid to try it.

 

[Jay Hemdal]

Yes I do but there are an enormous, inexplicable, unimaginable things I do not know. But I have cured my moorish Idol Permanently and my 34 year old Fireclown who is still living and has 20/20 vision. I guess it works and sometimes it doesn't.

Pop Eye is also not usually caused by Trama.

But either way, even if it comes back, it gives some relief, then you do it again because usually when it comes back, it is not as bad. I feel medication almost never works as the affliction normally clears on it's own anyway,

That space behind the fishes eye is a stupid way to build a fishes skull as it is very hard for any medication or anything to get back there as it is sealed except for that small hole for the optic nerve.

But for any symptom on any creature where either fluid, gas or Cola Cola builds up in any area, including the brain in a Human the first line of defense or treatment is to drain it. Then if you like you can use medication if you feel that will work.

But what do I know?

Paul,

For clear gas bubbles, there are only two common causes; trauma or supersaturation. This fish has clear eye bubbles right beneath the sclera. That is not caused by bacteria.

Jay

 

[Paul B]

Paul,

For clear gas bubbles, there are only two common causes; trauma or supersaturation. This fish has clear eye bubbles right beneath the sclera. That is not caused by bacteria.

Jay

I get that Jay. But I still feel that draining it whether it be gas or fluid is the best treatment to start with. What is the alternative besides letting it go and see if it clears on it's own as it usually does?

I'm not saying I am 100% right as I am not a fish opthamologist. But I have been doing this (occasionally) on my fish and fish in stores for 50 years and never blinded or lost a fish like this. It also doesn't usually work on the first try and has to be performed again a few days later.

 

[Paul B]

but I am still afraid to try it.

OK, but if you had one eye popping out of your head so far that you could see forward and around corners at the same time and a doctor said he could cure you in 5 seconds would you say :Oh God no, I like my eyes like this, I may get a part in a horror movie called "Weird Eye Man from Mars" :, Or would you say, OK lets do it?

 

[Jay Hemdal]

I get that Jay. But I still feel that draining it whether it be gas or fluid is the best treatment to start with. What is the alternative besides letting it go and see if it clears on it's own as it usually does?

I'm not saying I am 100% right as I am not a fish opthamologist. But I have been doing this (occasionally) on my fish and fish in stores for 50 years and never blinded or lost a fish like this. It also doesn't usually work on the first try and has to be performed again a few days later.

Did you read the link to the article I provided earlier? I had that reviewed by our aquatic veterinarian before I published it.

The problem with draining clear bubbles from trauma or supersaturation is the the sclera heals over too quickly if you use a tuberculin syringe. I've tried using a larger bore needle and going in from the top (so that the bubbles can still rise out) but the sclera still heals pretty quickly. With the Anthias in the photo in the article, the trauma induced bubbles kept reforming. I even tried cutting slits in the sclera to let the gas keep coming out, but new bubbles just formed beneath that.

 

[Paul B]

I don't know Jay. I never had any problems eliminating it but maybe the cases you see are different.

 

[Reefer1978]

I am actually seeing a lot of what Jay is describing. Eyes got better, but large bubbles were still above them. I drained them both, not both eyes are popping out more again, no bubbles, but eyes are larger.

My biggest issue is shes not eating, I am worried she's wasting away.