Triton core 7 be

[scotty333]

Guys,
Anyone using triton core 7 be ?
I’ve been using it for 2 months now and my icp tests come back with no trace elements, could it be the carbon sapping all them up?
Would like to hear your experiences with it please

 

[Christian0505]

Guys,
Anyone using triton core 7 be ?
I’ve been using it for 2 months now and my icp tests come back with no trace elements, could it be the carbon sapping all them up?
Would like to hear your experiences with it please

Yes, same experience. Been using it for over 2 years now. In addition to the base elements I dose the following:

Daily:
Manganese
Strontium
Flouride

Weekly:
Iodine
Vanadium
Molybendum

Monthly:
Zinc
Iron

This gives me a perfect ICP every 3 months, which sometimes need tiny adjustments on the heavy metals, as I prefer to dose these a bit lower as adviced due to the high risk potential.

 

[scotty333]

Christ, isn’t there an easier option to switch to?
I mean all that dosing and icp checks is daunting, I’m already running 8 doser heads and the wife will put me on a mental facility if she sees me drilling more holes in the wall!
+ where do I keep another 8 bottles cos I’m not into manual dosing anything
Tell a lie, I put 2ml of manganese in my ato which empires in 9 days , not really manual dosing but it’s enough for me ha

 

[Christian0505]

To be honest, I believe every method needs adjustments.

I personally dose them manually, but I like to be in touch with the tank.
I believe ATI sells all these trace elements seperate, but through the calculator on their website you would be able to combine them in the right ratio. This would mean you would only need 1 additional doser head.

Why do you currently use 8 doser heads? As the base elements only contain 4 components, and you can combine 3a and 3b into one.

 

[scotty333]

Yeah you’re probably right there. , nothings YET perfect but I see all for reef is very popular

I have the 4 triton , I use the 2 be separate incase I need a smaller kh tweet than 2ml I can put one on 1ml for finer tuning

The other 4 are nutrient control , vodka , lc , iodine and Red Sea ab+

 

[scotty333]

Forgot to ask, are you also using carbon?

 

[Christian0505]

Forgot to ask, are you also using carbon?

Active carbon, yes. It is to polish the water. I don’t run any UV or ozon.

I don’t use any vodka/NOPOX dosing, I rely on my algae reactor (paxbellum) for nutrient controle. For me that works really well. I harvest every week some nice bright chaeto.

 

[scotty333]

Don’t you think it might be robbing your trace? I’ve switched to ozone but run a bit of carbon to catch biproducts

 

[Christian0505]

I don’t think so. I am not very consistent on changing the carbon, so I am pretty sure it’s fully saturated most of the time.
The Triton method is designed to be run with a refugium/algea reactor. If you don’t use them, it’s best to use the Triton “Other method” base elements.

I have friends who run Triton too, and they experience the same thing with the trace elements mentioned above.

To be honest, I think we are more talking about what do you expect from a method and what do you believe in with regards to trace elements.

For me this Triton method is something I can do very consistently. My corals show great health and colour, I have about 2 dkh a day of consumption, and my ph stays between 8.3-8.5.

To me it makes sense, that every tank is different (based on type of corals) and therefore consumes a elements a tiny bit differently. Once you reach high consumption levels like I do, it is only logical that you will start to see difference in the elements. To me, a monthly dosage of 1 ml of zinc, is nothing compared to the 660ml of magnesium that is consumped every month. I am pretty sure that if people have low kh consumption and use other methods, they probably don’t even notice the fractional difference in these type of elements. In most cases occatoinal water changes will correct for this (my last waterchange was 1,5 years ago)

 

[scotty333]

Mines saturated too right now but I’m changing it tomorrow and putting on the timer schedule with the ozone so just 3 hours a night
I do run a fuge with caluerpa and think maybe that also robbing some trace
Maybe be is for no carbon no fuge ?

I’ve been doing a load of wc because there’s something in the water stopping my acros pe but that’ll be resolved this week

Can I see your tank please?

 

[Christian0505]

Ofcourse, my tank is a waterbox peninsula 3620

 

[scotty333]

Beautiful

I think I’m going to join you in the trace dosing and pick up some vanadium and fluoride to add to my molybdenum and managanese

I’ve got the dosages from peritoneum and usually go about half the dose and in a month icp it

 

[scotty333]

Chris
How much triton you dosing per day , what’s your consumption of kh and sorry for all the questions but since your ahead of me here you’ll be the best person to ask
What volume of water
Do you go with the exact dose recommendation or come under a bit? I mean how is it calculated? I’m looking at mixed reef with algae recommendations, you? Same I guess
Oh and what kh , po4 and no3 you settled on?
Thanks so much if you do have half n hour to reply

 

[Christian0505]

Thank you!

I think it is important to mention that I use the ATI ICP test and the trace elements from ATI. My main reason for this is because the ATI supplements specify their concentration. Therefore it is possible to switch to a different brand incase of an emergency as you know the required dosage for tour tank. Triton sadly doesn’t specify the concentration of their supplements and their ICP only recommends the required dosage of their own products in ML, making it rather useless if you want to use any other brand.

As of now I send out an ICP test every 3 months, but to determine to right dosage I send out an ICP test every month for the first 3-4 months until I got all of the trace elements dailed in.

I have the following dosage:
Triton BE
1: 24ml daily
2: 15ml daily
3a: 24ml daily
3b: 24ml daily

Trace elements, all from ATI:
Strontium 5ml daily
Fluoride 2,5ml daily
Manganese 1ml daily
Vanadium 0,1ml weekly
Iodine 2ml weekly
Molybendum 0,1ml weekly
Zinc 0,25ml monthly
Iron 0,25ml monthly.

With the “regular” trace elements I dose the recommended amount. For the trace elements considered “heavy metals” I dose about 10% under.
I should also mention that when my ICP recommends a correction dosage I prefer to split the total recommend dosage over a period of 7 days. I’ve noticed ATI recommends large correction for Fluor, which lead to some STN on sensitive Acropora’s.

My tank is a waterbox peninsula 3620, total volume of the system is 334L. I would guess that net watervolume is arround 250L.

 

[scotty333]

Thanks for taking your time on me I appreciate your help here
Since I’m using triton icp and I’m already invested in moly and mang I’ll stick with them for now .
I’ll do the same regarding monthly icp until correct dosage obtained.

I notice strontium is the largest dose, could it be that the concentration of the strontium is more diluted than the others listed?
I ask because with triton and even though it was 0 only recommends 5ml dose and 0.16ml daily which I bugger all

As with fluorine I get the same instructions ( a big correction) so thanks for the tip and I’ll go slow with it .

Your consumption in kh must be huge like 4-5kh per day I guess

I can see you have some large pieces there and as I’m currently running at 7 kh for water purposes and the relatively new additions of acros I’m waiting to raise it up to 9 with 0.07 po4 and 7 no3

What you think?

 

[Christian0505]

As with regards to the strontium, my theory is that usually strontium is included in the calcium solution. My calcium Triton BE dosage is not equal to my kh dosage as that rises my calcium above 500, which is way too high.

My kh consumption should be arround 2-2,5 a day. I prefer to run my kh at about 8,5-9,0. I basically choose that number as a fail safe. It means that if my doser gets jammed for a few hours, atleast my kh won’t drop to any harmfull situatie. I run the neptune trident, so that should catch any serious kh drop in a few hours.

As regard to nutrient levels you reach a whole new topic… haha
I think this depends highly on your light and flow input. I prefer to run mine a bit high for the LPS corals, incombination with the high par levels that most of my acropora’s receive. Most acropora’s get about 400-500 par at peak times.

I run my tank at:
Kh 8,5-9
Ca 430-450
Mag 1400-1450
No3 10-15
Po4 0,1-0,15

But again, I have 2 radion XR30 g5 blue in a giesemann stellar hybrid with 4x t5 39 watts.
For flow I use two AI Nero at 85% and a 2400L returnpump. Yet I still struggle to get enough flow arround the big corals.

 

[scotty333]

Thanks for your input I appreciate it
I’m bringing my kh now from 6.4 ( ph just 8.1 because the low alk)
Will be at 9 by the weekend or early next week so I’m hoping for some better growth with these levels , nutrients will be .07 and 7
Calcium 430 and mag 1300

I’ve dosed my low trace according to triton , no correction dose as I’ve recently changed 80% of my water so should be some trace already

 

[Christian0505]

Great, keep me updated on your results/progress!

 

[scotty333]

Hi mate
Yeah will do in 2 weeks I do the icp I’ll report back if my math and luck are in tune hehe

 

[scotty333]

Update
Kh is at 8.1 but still increasing dosing amount , 24ml currently

Today was time to replenish kh fluids and bought a new batch, mixed it up and it looked like this below

Lfs said warm it up , tried and was same results
2-3 hours mixing it and sediment still settled about 1/10th of the bottles

Got the lfs to mix another batch they had in stock and it was perfect , no warming nothing just as it should be

Now the bad batch is returned and the “good” ( debatable) batch is online ready to test its strength against my finished bottles

Anyone else had this experience?

Oh for the record I’m depleting ( because I was checking kh since this morning ) 2.5kh per day which is coincidental I think ( or maybe triton did this on purpose) that 1ml = .1 kh

Now I have that figured out I can manipulate my kh without guessing what the result will be