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[billyocean]

Will do. I work next to optimum so I’ll pick up some ESV after work

That was you in the train conducter uniform running the model trains at hobby town?

 

[robanister]

20Ca40.078	Calcium	428.00 mg/l	415 - 520 mg/l	▲
12Mg24.305	Magnesium	1334.00 mg/l	1320 - 1500 mg/l	▲
19K39.098	Potassium	401.00 mg/l	380 - 480 mg/l	▲
35Br79.904	Bromide	66.00 mg/l	64 mg/l	▲
5B10.81	Boron	5.00 mg/l	4.5 mg/l	▲
9F18.998	Fluorid	0.78 mg/l	1.3 mg/l	▲
38Sr87.62	Strontium	8.00 mg/l	8 - 12 mg/l	▲
16S32.06	Sulphur	916.00 mg/l	900 mg/l	▲

53I126.90

Iodine

158.00 µg/l

30 - 90 µg/l

Did wc and corrected florine and stoped iodine. Icp to go back out next week.

 

[andrewj1212]

That was you in the train conducter uniform running the model trains at hobby town?

Ha, not that close. I always play a guessing game when people get out of their car if they are heading to hobby town or the fish store

 

[billyocean]

Ha, not that close. I always play a guessing game when people get out of their car if they are heading to hobby town or the fish store

You should swing in optimum and grab a wild acro colony that's half dead for 150 bucks.

 

[andrewj1212]

I recently added a Trident to my system. It is good to watch trends and is helping me make adjustments to stabilize Alk/Cal.

That said the test values I am getting for Alk are significantly different (.8 dkh) between Trident and Hannah for me. Researching this and speaking with Neptune customer service this is a common complaint about the units. Neptune says the Trident is more accurate but Hannah has been the gold standard for home test kits for quite some time so I am not 100% on what my actual Alk is. Basically somewhere in between I guess.

Calcium and Magnesium tested almost exact between Trident and Salifert kits though so that works well.

Use ABC reagents and calibrate with your Hanna and salifert. That seems to be the standard and has worked great for me

 

[Rennurdoar]

To each their own and I'm sure there's people that run at these numbers...I guess. Personally I shoot for 425-450 calcium and mag 1400-1500 1450ish preferably

Alk: 8.0 Cal: 460 Mag: 1500

That's the numbers I like to run. If our mag drops below 1400 the LPS get mad and sad.

 

[andrewj1212]

You should swing in optimum and grab a wild acro colony that's half dead for 150 bucks.

I noticed they got a few a couple months ago and now there’s only one left that didn’t die, but that thing is growing like a weed/tons of new growth but brown so no clue. I’ll get a picture of it later

 

[Ado]

If my mag drops below 1450 my torches look sad haha

 

[stoney7713]

I recently added a Trident to my system. It is good to watch trends and is helping me make adjustments to stabilize Alk/Cal.

That said the test values I am getting for Alk are significantly different (.8 dkh) between Trident and Hannah for me. Researching this and speaking with Neptune customer service this is a common complaint about the units. Neptune says the Trident is more accurate but Hannah has been the gold standard for home test kits for quite some time so I am not 100% on what my actual Alk is. Basically somewhere in between I guess.

Calcium and Magnesium tested almost exact between Trident and Salifert kits though so that works well.

Isn't that what all manufacturers say? "Ours is more accurate" LOL

That's why I can't see paying so much for the Apex and Trident. I can titrate with Salifert and takes me maybe 2 minutes and get ALK readings. I do use Hanna for nitrate and phosphate, Salifert for the rest.

 

[Rennurdoar]

Good morning all you beautiful people! I hope you have a great day today! Will be doing a 15% WC tomorrow, and will place the frags from December sale.

 

[fangelillo01]

Morning all. I gotta say I’m impressed with this little gelato cake. With alittle edit work you can see the color up. Algae breakout is almost gone. Just this patch left

 

[Zero_Cool]

Do you calibrate it with your Hanna?

I have only had it running 2 weeks and followed the calibration instructions from Neptune using the calibration solution provided with the reagents.

The suggestion is that next time I change out the reagents and recalibrate to use the remaining calibration fluid and test with my Hannah kit. This is supposed to show me how varying my Hannah kit could be against a known Alk value. I guess to give me peace of mind that Trident is accurate?

 

[Zero_Cool]

Use ABC reagents and calibrate with your Hanna and salifert. That seems to be the standard and has worked great for me

So you are trusting the Hannah kit for your baseline calibration and not the Trident.

 

[andrewj1212]

I have only had it running 2 weeks and followed the calibration instructions from Neptune using the calibration solution provided with the reagents.

The suggestion is that next time I change out the reagents and recalibrate to use the remaining calibration fluid and test with my Hannah kit. This is supposed to show me how varying my Hannah kit could be against a known Alk value. I guess to give me peace of mind that Trident is accurate?

I basically test everything with Hanna and salifert when I change reagents. Then when I go to calibrate I keep the dosing line in the tank so the calibration fluid is my tank water, and I input my test results as the parameters of the calibration fluid and that way the trident always reads accurate to whatever test kit I use. That plus using ABC reagents which believe it or not are chemically better than Neptune’s and read more accurate. Always had worse reasonings using neptunes reagents and calibration fluid, plus ABC is half the cost

 

[andrewj1212]

I have only had it running 2 weeks and followed the calibration instructions from Neptune using the calibration solution provided with the reagents.

The suggestion is that next time I change out the reagents and recalibrate to use the remaining calibration fluid and test with my Hannah kit. This is supposed to show me how varying my Hannah kit could be against a known Alk value. I guess to give me peace of mind that Trident is accurate?

Also, those calibration fluids are only good for a couple hours after opening

 

[AKL1950]

I’ve got too much time on my hands, so I run three test on Alk when I test. Trident, Salifert and Hanna. They are all very consistent, but all give different answers. Trident always lowest, Salifert in the middle and Hanna highest. A normal test will be Trident at 7.6, Salifert at 8.0 and Hanna at 8.4. I average them to get 8.0. The nice thing is they all drift together, so it’s easy to see a trend. I just dose to keep the average around 8.0.

 

[Zero_Cool]

Isn't that what all manufacturers say? "Ours is more accurate" LOL

That's why I can't see paying so much for the Apex and Trident.

Yes, all manufactures will tell you there product is better.

It comes down to personal opinion - manual versus machine testing. Which has more room for error and which is more accurate? Hannah states that there is a +/- margin of error on all of their tests to account for human use (too much eater in the vial, too little reagent from the packet, etc..).

I bought the Apex primarily for the ability to do auto water changes and have a single location to turn equipment off that didn't require me to physically unplug cords. I waited on the Trident as I thought the same way, it only takes me 20 minutes to test with my kits so why incur the additional expense.

Now that I have it, the Trident is helping me to stabilize values across the system by running those tests 4 times per day. It also plots the values on a graph for me so I can see the trends more clearly. Doing this manually would take a couple hours each day. There is value in the Trident for me currently.

 

[Zero_Cool]

Also, those calibration fluids are only good for a couple hours after opening

That is correct.

I basically test everything with Hanna and salifert when I change reagents. Then when I go to calibrate I keep the dosing line in the tank so the calibration fluid is my tank water, and I input my test results as the parameters of the calibration fluid and that way the trident always reads accurate to whatever test kit I use. That plus using ABC reagents which believe it or not are chemically better than Neptune’s and read more accurate. Always had worse reasonings using neptunes reagents and calibration fluid, plus ABC is half the cost

I will look into the ABC reagents once my supply of Neptune runs out. I have a fellow reefer near me that has been using them as well.

It just comes down to which test you trust. it will be interesting to see what my Hannah/Salifert kits say when I calibrate the Trident again against the printed values of the calibration fluid.

 

[andrewj1212]

Yes, all manufactures will tell you there product is better.

It comes down to personal opinion - manual versus machine testing. Which has more room for error and which is more accurate? Hannah states that there is a +/- margin of error on all of their tests to account for human use (too much eater in the vial, too little reagent from the packet, etc..).

I bought the Apex primarily for the ability to do auto water changes and have a single location to turn equipment off that didn't require me to physically unplug cords. I waited on the Trident as I thought the same way, it only takes me 20 minutes to test with my kits so why incur the additional expense.

Now that I have it, the Trident is helping me to stabilize values across the system by running those tests 4 times per day. It also plots the values on a graph for me so I can see the trends more clearly. Doing this manually would take a couple hours each day. There is value in the Trident for me currently.

Agreed. I don’t have time to do all those tests/am very lazy so knowing I wouldn’t do much testing on my own without one is where I find the value. Plus I travel a bit so that is another benefit so I can know if something is up

 

[Zero_Cool]

I’ve got too much time on my hands, so I run three test on Alk when I test. Trident, Salifert and Hanna. They are all very consistent, but all give different answers. Trident always lowest, Salifert in the middle and Hanna highest. A normal test will be Trident at 7.6, Salifert at 8.0 and Hanna at 8.4. I average them to get 8.0. The nice thing is they all drift together, so it’s easy to see a trend. I just dose to keep the average around 8.0.

This is excellent information. I have been adjusting Kalk/All for Reef to get a stable 7.5 on the Trident. Once I get dosing to stabilize I can bump a few 10ths dkh to get to 8.0 and run from there.