The study that I am aware of and the Emerson studies are deep red and far red, not infra red. But regardless, it all comes down to photon energy, and the further we move toward the red side of the spectrum, the less we have. I don't buy the "building blocks" analogy.
Do you have a link?
That is not the way it works. You can't just make up absolute nonsense that is contrary to known science and demand that you be proven wrong. You are the one who must prove that current science is wrong and you are right.
My "fire" is that you spread insanely false information that then gets cited and spread by others. You are doing a disservice to the truth and more damage to your "cause" than good. In one post:
MH is better because
-IR from MH magically controls tank temperature and it is better than a heater or chiller... or whatever.
-Full spectrum goes in the water and that is part of the "Gold" something or other.
-Shimmer grows coral better because it acts like thousands of lenses
-Shimmer boosts zoox
-MH helps water motion or something that effect.
The paper likely exists, but it is even more likely that you have misunderstood and conflated its contents with your grandiose (see what I did there) imagination.
You do fine for a while in these threads and then you slip back into this nonsense, and it is nonsense. Stick to facts, they work better.
Uhm…better reflectors for bigger tanks. That’s the key to halides living any longer. Nobody of sound mind is going to put 6 pendants on a 72x36x24 heavily stocked SPS tank when 3 good reflectors will do the job. Without those reflectors people will move to LED. Someone needs to fill the void and produce that important component.
I am certainly not on the defense about anything here or worried about my reputation.
Yes, I understand that now with this words. Science of light, facts of light...
The application for each system needs to follow wattage/ reflector/ ballast combination for the optimal result for each application using halides.
You keep saying that and yet I posed an application. A 72x36x24 SPS dominant aquarium simply can’t be fully covered by a pendant that’s paired with the most optimal ballast and bulb combination you can come up with. A large reflector solves the necessary component of that application. We can find bulbs and ballasts (so far) but until we get someone to ante up and start producing adequate reflectors it’s well; dead in the water. You can keep singing the praises of halides but that’s a HUGE obstacle at this point. More importantly, halides make more sense to those who have larger tanks (wider and taller) that want to push light deeper. Not everyone is going to make their own reflectors or experiment with ones designed for horticulture.
We need the right fixtures and ballast for the different applications. We need more lamps with quality! The market has nothing to offer to even get close to what is suppose to be. We all know that... Is that what you are talking about? To get used stuff is to survive, not optimal! This market is basically dead for halide gear. We only have ReefBrite and Giesemann Spectra fixtures from aquarium manufacturers. I can't disagree with you, if that is what you referring to.
You are rambling down another tangent. Conflating what "Tullio" or "Coral Labs" does or says with your wholly unsupported claims about the benefits of halides doesn't make your claims any truer. Halides are great, stop making up stuff to make them greater.
Alright, I won't make it greater, just great than. LOL!
Hey for fun and since you have all the experience ..about what percent of all corals are problematic for led?
www.frontiersin.org
I don't take tank or coral photos. In 20+ years of my reef, there may be 15 full tank shots all taken in one day and a handful of others, typically documenting a fish injury or problem, not coral.
I agree with you on many points in keeping some of these old school sticks. I also think too many people are running wayyyyy too blue a spectrum to meet the needs of these OG corals. I believe a lot of the corals I came into the hobby keeping (same as you) were very shallow acropora species that thrived in white light. They were collected at the onset of the SPS keeping craze and were basically the low hanging fruit that divers could easily collect without venturing too far. Now that we’ve all seen them, kept them, etc. the need for new and exciting has taken divers to outer reefs and deeper waters where reds and greens and “white light” may be more filtered out at the depths they’re collecting now. Heck. They’re diving with royal blue flashlights for crying out loud so you know they’re not in the shallows collecting these high price tag bling pieces we see in blued out tanks these days.
I think the key takeaway is that interesting or not this has nothing to do with coral, and there is no known coral that contains Chloraphyll F receptors (either bacterial or zoox) even if Jake pontificates that some symbiotic relationship would be cool.Chlorophyll F, a newly discovered photosynthetic pigment uses infrared light | Reef Builders | The Reef and Saltwater Aquarium Blog
Chlorophyll F is a photosynthetic pigment which is able to capture light energy in the infrared spectrum. Chlorophyll F has an absorption peak of 706 nanometers, a segment of light which was…reefbuilders.com
Something Jake shared that I thought was interesting.
I think there’s still a lot we don’t know.
