Please help ICH OR SOMETHING 3 tanks in danger

[Lgara1303]

Hello, I’m hoping someone can. Please help me out with some advice. Friday I picked up a flame angel, and a bunch of invertebrates. The flame angel was said to be in copper and looked perfectly healthy when I got him. He was eating the next day and everything has been normal. I put him in a little 14 gallon coral tank to observe and decide if I would continue treatment or not, he went in with a filefish and cleaner Goby however, I took the file fish out right before I introduced the flame angel and put the filefish into a new 90 gallon system that had just got done cycling fast forward today white spots all over the flames and quite a few my cleaner both are eating like normal and appear to be all right right now after I added the file to the new system, he has not looked good at all and stayed in the corner on its side not sure this is related bc I pulled out before I added flame angel so this may be stress no annoima in the tank he went in I’m more worried about this possible ich and what to I also added inverts from this place and did not add any water from there doesn’t mean a drop didn’t get in here and there. I can pull the goby and flame out and set up a emergency 20 gallon to treat I have copper power and a Hanna copper checker but the problem is my main display tank has quite a few fish and the rock. Work makes it near impossible to pull them out. Please tell me what to do I’m lost I have so much money in all these and this destroys me I’ve been so cation and not sure how the flame even caught this. Is this ich like I said my goby already has white spots as well

Someone also please give me the dosage of copper power per gallon to get to therapeutic

And then with someone with more experience, I’m hoping you can answer since I pulled the filefish out. Should I be worried about introducing whatever it is into the new 90 gallon system?

 

[Sharkbait19]

Once an exposed fish is added to a tank, it’s safe to assume all fish have ich and need to be treated. Unfortunately you really don’t have a choice but to pull and treat.
Post pics of the flame angel - angels are known to break out in lymphocytosis when stressed and this can sometimes look like ich.
Many fish stores run a low dose of copper to suppress disease while not actually eliminating disease.
Copper power should be at about 1.4 mL per gallon to hit therapeutic dose:

Ratios for Dosing Copper Power

I have recently been getting a few requests for how to adjust dosing with all of my research on the hanna checker and copper power being used together. Figured I would throw this up as a point of reference. For anyone using Copper Power: Bottle concentration will bring you to a Cu level of...

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[Lgara1303]

Once an exposed fish is added to a tank, it’s safe to assume all fish have ich and need to be treated. Unfortunately you really don’t have a choice but to pull and treat.
Post pics of the flame angel - angels are known to break out in lymphocytosis when stressed and this can sometimes look like ich.
Many fish stores run a low dose of copper to suppress disease while not actually eliminating disease.
Copper power should be at about 1.4 mL per gallon to hit therapeutic dose:

Ratios for Dosing Copper Power

I have recently been getting a few requests for how to adjust dosing with all of my research on the hanna checker and copper power being used together. Figured I would throw this up as a point of reference. For anyone using Copper Power: Bottle concentration will bring you to a Cu level of...

www.reef2reef.com

I had to walk away from the situation and think about what to do so I’m heading back to to look and set up an emergency tank. I will get it as best pictures as I can. Hopefully someone can get back with me.


Can you please tell me if I can add the fish and start dosing the copper or does it need to be at 2.5 when I put them in? Also if I wait, how quickly should I bring it up to 2.5

I think they only do low levels and from what I seen, the spots can suppress with low levels of copper

 

[Sharkbait19]

Either way would work, but the faster they are treated the better. A slow ramp up used to be preferred, but it is not necessary now that copper meds aren’t as harsh in fish and the goal being to treat as soon as possible.

 

[Lgara1303]

Either way would work, but the faster they are treated the better. A slow ramp up used to be preferred, but it is not necessary now that copper meds aren’t as harsh in fish and the goal being to treat as soon as possible.

OK, is there a range for the copper you like to stay in like is 2.4 still therapeutical or once you drop below 2.5 you need to completely restart also would be 2.6 or seven or eight. Let’s say be OK. This is all new. Trying to get some pictures

 

[Lgara1303]

 

[Lgara1303]

OK, it looks like both of them just have a few spots here and there the flame more than any of them, especially on his friends. It looks like he has the most but through his body they’re here and there.

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

OK, is there a range for the copper you like to stay in like is 2.4 still therapeutical or once you drop below 2.5 you need to completely restart also would be 2.6 or seven or eight. Let’s say be OK. This is all new. Trying to get some pictures

Anything above 2.0 is therapeutic levels - 2.25-2.5 are the typical levels suggested in part to ensure the dose is high enough not to drop below 2.0. You probably don't want to go much higher than 2.5, as overdosing medication is generally a bad idea.

 

[Sharkbait19]

You want at about 2.25, not below 2 and not over 2.5 (like stated). Presumably the only reason it should drop below therapeutic is during a water change, at which point you can just dose back up.
Most of the videos won’t play, r2r on mobile doesn’t like attachments - can you link them through YouTube.

 

[Lgara1303]

You want at about 2.25, not below 2 and not over 2.5 (like stated). Presumably the only reason it should drop below therapeutic is during a water change, at which point you can just dose back up.
Most of the videos won’t play, r2r on mobile doesn’t like attachments - can you link them through YouTube.

OK, just set up a 20 gallon emergency tank and do 20 ML of copper power. I will test here in a bit to see where I’m at as I want to be around two and then add the fish. I would like at 2.5 but just too much going on.

 

[Lgara1303]

OK, I think I got everything down but can anyone give me a breakdown or is there a breakdown of how much or how many milliliters per gallon should raise the parts per million of copper or how do you know how much to add each day to keep it at 2.5 or if you only go to two, how do you know how much more to go to Get to 2.5

 

[Lgara1303]

Added a small 9w green killing machine hang on the back that I had laying around to by display to hopefully mange any ich in their I don’t think it’s big enough but I guess the thought of mind helps

 

[Sharkbait19]

A uv won’t really do much once you’re at active infection stage (and nothing works better than a fallow).

There’s a lot of math you can do for getting to the right dose, but imo it’s easier to just dose right to 2.25. It would be good to get a Hanna checker for copper to make sure you’re at the right dose.

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

OK, just set up a 20 gallon emergency tank and do 20 ML of copper power. I will test here in a bit to see where I’m at as I want to be around two and then add the fish. I would like at 2.5 but just too much going on.

OK, I think I got everything down but can anyone give me a breakdown or is there a breakdown of how much or how many milliliters per gallon should raise the parts per million of copper or how do you know how much to add each day to keep it at 2.5 or if you only go to two, how do you know how much more to go to Get to 2.5

Like Sharkbait19 said ~1.4 mL per gallon.

Taken from BRS here:

"1.475 mL per gallon = 2.5 ppm"

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Edit: To add: each 0.1 ppm would be 0.059 mL/gal.

(Also, for anyone curious with Coppersafe, it's 1.25 mL/gal = 2.5 ppm or 0.05 mL/gal = 0.1 ppm).

 

[Lgara1303]

A uv won’t really do much once you’re at active infection stage (and nothing works better than a fallow).

There’s a lot of math you can do for getting to the right dose, but imo it’s easier to just dose right to 2.25. It would be good to get a Hanna checker for copper to make sure you’re at the right dose.

I don’t see any ich in the display so I’m just hoping it may do something or prevent any from showing up I doubt it but I don’t think it can hurt and I’ll try anything over taking that tank apart

 

[Lgara1303]

Can someone tell me when I add these fish soon Do I need to drip acclimate them or anything? or do you add them straight in?

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

Can someone tell me when I add these fish soon Do I need to drip acclimate them or anything? or do you add them straight in?

To my knowledge, you should be able to add them straight in. Copper Power doesn't require a slow ramp up to full strength.

 

[Lgara1303]

To my knowledge, you should be able to add them straight in. Copper Power doesn't require a slow ramp up to full strength.

I know that. I am saying I don't need to drip them or temp acclimate them. I will try to have tanks as close as possible but that Copper tank Salinity is def lower thank 14 gallon tank with ich

 

[ISpeakForTheSeas]

I know that. I am saying I don't need to drip them or temp acclimate them. I will try to have tanks as close as possible but that Copper tank Salinity is def lower thank 14 gallon tank with ich

Higher salinity causes problems, but lower salinity shouldn't be an issue - if the temperature is drastically different, it might be a good idea to temp acclimate (personally, if it's within a few degrees, I wouldn't bother, but I'd defer to others' advice there).

 

[Sharkbait19]

I always like to acclimate as if it were a new fish. If all parameters (mainly temp and salinity) are matched it’s not a huge issue, but it just gives me peace of mind.