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I finally did my phosphorus tests. On the DT I got 47 ppb which equals 0.144 ppm. The sump tested at 79 ppb of phosphorus, an increase of 16 ppb. That’s 0.242 ppm of phosphates, an increase of 0.049 ppm.
I decided to snap a couple of pictures tonight. Here’s the anemone just before the lights went out for the day.
This picture doesn’t do justice to the fluorescence but it can be seen. I imagine that as I replace the lamps in my T5 lights the fluorescence will be pronounced enough that even my iPhone will be able to capture it.
I also snapped a picture of the duncans. Of course they’re closing for the night but the fluorescence is much easier to see on these. The duncans were wide open earlier today.
I decided to snap a couple of pictures tonight. Here’s the anemone just before the lights went out for the day.
This picture doesn’t do justice to the fluorescence but it can be seen. I imagine that as I replace the lamps in my T5 lights the fluorescence will be pronounced enough that even my iPhone will be able to capture it.
I also snapped a picture of the duncans. Of course they’re closing for the night but the fluorescence is much easier to see on these. The duncans were wide open earlier today.
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Those are some nice Duncan’s!I finally did my phosphorus tests. On the DT I got 47 ppb which equals 0.144 ppm. The sump tested at 79 ppb of phosphorus, an increase of 16 ppb. That’s 0.242 ppm of phosphates, an increase of 0.049 ppm.
I decided to snap a couple of pictures tonight. Here’s the anemone just before the lights went out for the day.
This picture doesn’t do justice to the fluorescence but it can be seen. I imagine that as I replace the lamps in my T5 lights the fluorescence will be pronounced enough that even my iPhone will be able to capture it.
I also snapped a picture of the duncans. Of course they’re closing for the night but the fluorescence is much easier to see on these. The duncans were wide open earlier today.
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I’ve had mine for 2 months now and it’s starting to grow another head!
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New fish spblam!
I don't think he'll fit in my tank though...
I don't think he'll fit in my tank though...
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I’ve been waiting a while to do so but tonight I broke out my DIY frozen food. The fish were all over it. I also fed the nem which gobbled it right up. For the first time in quite some time I target fed my duncans. They ate about as fast as I’ve ever seen them eat.
I didn’t perform any testing on either the DT or the sump tonight. There’s some growth of hair algae on the rocks in the DT however compared to Monday when they went in. It’s not tons though and the mollies will have a field day on it once they get bigger.
Other than that there’s nothing new to speak of. I hope all of you have a great weekend. I’ll try to get some pictures tomorrow of the anemone which gets lots of bubbles the day after it eats, and the duncans which tend to open up wider the day after I feed them.
I didn’t perform any testing on either the DT or the sump tonight. There’s some growth of hair algae on the rocks in the DT however compared to Monday when they went in. It’s not tons though and the mollies will have a field day on it once they get bigger.
Other than that there’s nothing new to speak of. I hope all of you have a great weekend. I’ll try to get some pictures tomorrow of the anemone which gets lots of bubbles the day after it eats, and the duncans which tend to open up wider the day after I feed them.
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I fed all my fish. Whilst doing so I target fed my duncans and the anemone. Before I target fed the duncans I snapped this picture.
This image shows the duncans a minute after they were fed.
The nem gobbled up its food as well.
The Kenya tree is taking off in my new system.
It looks like I’ll have to wait on the overflow until next month. I’ll be able to buy the plumbing and fittings this month though. In the meantime I’ll add about 10 more gallons of saltwater to the DT. That’ll still keep the water level at least an inch below the lowest hole.
I’ll have a small amount of money left after the plumbing is taken care of which is good. I may end up with a fish and a coral from a reefing friend close by.
This image shows the duncans a minute after they were fed.
The nem gobbled up its food as well.
The Kenya tree is taking off in my new system.
It looks like I’ll have to wait on the overflow until next month. I’ll be able to buy the plumbing and fittings this month though. In the meantime I’ll add about 10 more gallons of saltwater to the DT. That’ll still keep the water level at least an inch below the lowest hole.
I’ll have a small amount of money left after the plumbing is taken care of which is good. I may end up with a fish and a coral from a reefing friend close by.
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TLDR: My system is doing well, especially considering it’s only been running for a week as of today. I’m getting some new corals soon. I tested for phosphorus and got 55 ppb which equals 0.169 ppm of phosphates.
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After I fed/target fed the denizens of Perseverance Reef a couple of hours ago I decided to test for phosphorus. I got 55 ppb which is 0.169 ppm of phosphates. Between the extra feeding and any phosphates that leached out of the rocks my phosphates are 25% higher than a few days ago.
I do see some green algae forming on the bottom of the tank. Hopefully today I’ll get to start rinsing the sand and slowly adding it to my system. I’ll have to watch phosphates closely.
Between the mollies and the mystery fish however any GHA that gets a foothold won’t stand a chance. Coralline algae is starting to grow like gangbusters again, at least relative to how little there was when I started my new 75 gallon system. As a result of all of this I’m not that worried about my phosphates yet.
I want to be sure that my sand doesn’t have a ton of phosphates in it. I also want to make sure my extra feedings, and the target feeding of my duncans and the nem won’t raise phosphates much higher than they are now. I’m about to get a couple of corals that will help mop up some of the excess nutrients.
The reefing friend I mentioned in my last post is going to give me a frag of GSP. It just isn’t a reef tank without GSP and xenia. My “lifeboat” tank has the xenia in it currently but I’m going to frag it, keep the frag in that tank, and transfer the rock with the two “colonies”, which are pretty much frags themselves, into the DT.
Between the four soft coral types that will be in the system, the rapidly growing duncans, the slowly growing GHA, and the coralline algae (which is growing quickly for coralline algae, but it’s like talking about a snail moving “fast” for a snail), and I’m comfortable with phosphates getting to 0.25 ppm. Much over that and I might start to worry.
Thanks to my friend, who’s selling me the fish and corals, I got the new DT, and got it up and running as quickly as I was. The mini cycle came and went within a couple of days. As of today (super early Monday morning) the system’s been running for a week now. In that time my corals have already started responding positively to the lighting and the environment in general. No deaths have happened since the start of the new system. I’m beyond fortunate and I’m grateful to my friend, who found it for me and traded me the tank for my wrasse. Without her my livestock would still be in a 15 gallon tote.
The anemone is looking better since I’ve been feeding it. I’m going to give it and the duncans a break though. The duncans will get fed three times a week and the nem will get fed twice a week. Even though there’s enough PAR for my corals the lamps in my 6 lamp T5 fixture need to be replaced ASAP. Until I can get enough of them replaced I will be feeding on the aforementioned schedule. Once I have half of the lamps replaced I’ll pull back on the feeding some more.
And just that fast I’ve written yet another book. I almost forgot to mention what corals I’m getting. She has a favia frag and a lepto frag. I’m going to buy one or both from her. She’ll send me pictures tomorrow. Of course I’m getting the mystery fish too but she’s going to quarantine it for me and medicate it. She’s buying out someone who’s selling all their fish and my mystery fish is part of that deal. Once she gets it and sends me a picture of it I’ll reveal what the mystery fish actually is.
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After I fed/target fed the denizens of Perseverance Reef a couple of hours ago I decided to test for phosphorus. I got 55 ppb which is 0.169 ppm of phosphates. Between the extra feeding and any phosphates that leached out of the rocks my phosphates are 25% higher than a few days ago.
I do see some green algae forming on the bottom of the tank. Hopefully today I’ll get to start rinsing the sand and slowly adding it to my system. I’ll have to watch phosphates closely.
Between the mollies and the mystery fish however any GHA that gets a foothold won’t stand a chance. Coralline algae is starting to grow like gangbusters again, at least relative to how little there was when I started my new 75 gallon system. As a result of all of this I’m not that worried about my phosphates yet.
I want to be sure that my sand doesn’t have a ton of phosphates in it. I also want to make sure my extra feedings, and the target feeding of my duncans and the nem won’t raise phosphates much higher than they are now. I’m about to get a couple of corals that will help mop up some of the excess nutrients.
The reefing friend I mentioned in my last post is going to give me a frag of GSP. It just isn’t a reef tank without GSP and xenia. My “lifeboat” tank has the xenia in it currently but I’m going to frag it, keep the frag in that tank, and transfer the rock with the two “colonies”, which are pretty much frags themselves, into the DT.
Between the four soft coral types that will be in the system, the rapidly growing duncans, the slowly growing GHA, and the coralline algae (which is growing quickly for coralline algae, but it’s like talking about a snail moving “fast” for a snail), and I’m comfortable with phosphates getting to 0.25 ppm. Much over that and I might start to worry.
Thanks to my friend, who’s selling me the fish and corals, I got the new DT, and got it up and running as quickly as I was. The mini cycle came and went within a couple of days. As of today (super early Monday morning) the system’s been running for a week now. In that time my corals have already started responding positively to the lighting and the environment in general. No deaths have happened since the start of the new system. I’m beyond fortunate and I’m grateful to my friend, who found it for me and traded me the tank for my wrasse. Without her my livestock would still be in a 15 gallon tote.
The anemone is looking better since I’ve been feeding it. I’m going to give it and the duncans a break though. The duncans will get fed three times a week and the nem will get fed twice a week. Even though there’s enough PAR for my corals the lamps in my 6 lamp T5 fixture need to be replaced ASAP. Until I can get enough of them replaced I will be feeding on the aforementioned schedule. Once I have half of the lamps replaced I’ll pull back on the feeding some more.
And just that fast I’ve written yet another book. I almost forgot to mention what corals I’m getting. She has a favia frag and a lepto frag. I’m going to buy one or both from her. She’ll send me pictures tomorrow. Of course I’m getting the mystery fish too but she’s going to quarantine it for me and medicate it. She’s buying out someone who’s selling all their fish and my mystery fish is part of that deal. Once she gets it and sends me a picture of it I’ll reveal what the mystery fish actually is.
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That whole "book" , never mentioned how Kathy is doing...
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She’s doing much better but she has to have a biopsy on her thyroid this afternoon. At least that’s just an out patient procedure. Don’t mind me I’m just scatterbrained.That whole "book" , never mentioned how Kathy is doing...
Thank you for asking. I appreciate it and so does she.
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TLDR: Kathy ended having to cancel her appointment, I cleaned the glass. My nem and especially the duncans look excellent, like they do just before a growth spurt, and I’ve revealed the mystery fish but you’ll have to read that part at least.
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For those I tagged in this post please scroll down to the last paragraph or two if you don’t want to read yet another whole book. I really appreciate all your help.
Kathy ended up having to cancel her appointment yesterday and is waiting for them to reschedule her. She didn’t sleep well at all, something I completely understand. She’s been through a lot this month.
Everything’s looking good at Perseverance Reef. I was beginning to think all my brittle stars were dead but I saw one hanging an arm or two out of a rock last night. I haven’t seen any of my asterinas in the DT since setting it up. I hope I still have one or two left in there. The good news is I have two in my lifeboat tank. They’re the more attractive kind of the two I had. I still liked the white and gray ones though. At least they’re not exactly hard to come by.
There was a noticeable amount of algae on the glass tonight so I cleaned it. I didn’t target feed yesterday but the nem and the duncans are looking good. The fluorescence in the duncans is orders of magnitude better than before I started the target feeding regimen. My duncans’ polyps were open widely as well just like they get when starting a growth spurt. Here’s to hoping.
The nem looks good too but since it can’t eat as much as the duncans can it’ll take longer to see the same gains the duncans have to this point. More lighting will help. Which brings me to the next topic….
The fish I’m about to bring home, assuming all goes well, will absolutely need a larger tank. Getting the larger tank will cost about twice what the overflow would cost but it’ll be worth it. Since Kathy’s as excited as I am about this fish, being a big fan herself of “Finding Nemo”, and with her being fully aware of what size tank this fish is going to need, I pretty much have license to start searching for said larger tank.
Well now that I just pretty much revealed what fish I’m getting, there is a backstory. The person who’s selling the fish claims that the fish has a “defect” that has kept it small. It’s been in a 75 gallon tank for years according to them but looks good otherwise. I’m assuming that the “defect” is that it’s been stunted. I’ve read from some that hippo tangs won’t grow any larger even when provided with a larger tank. Even if that’s true I don’t want the fish to be tortured.
Everything I’ve ever read on these majestic creatures cites that hippos need an absolute minimum of 6 feet and preferably 8 feet of length. Thus, this is my plan. If I do indeed get this fish I’m going to get a 125 or better yet a 180. I’m going to see if the fish starts growing again. If it starts growing again, an outcome I’d hope for, I’ll have to rehome it or get an even larger tank. If it’s true that a stunted hippo tang won’t grow much if at all in an appropriately large tank then I’d still want it in a minimum of a 6 foot tank.
@fishguy242, @EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal, @tbrown, @Lost in the Sauce, @F i s h y, @Petcrazyson, @Mschmidt, @Bleigh, have you ever heard of a defect or disease that keeps hippo tangs from growing larger than a silver dollar? I’ve seen a super short video of the fish, and it doesn’t look deformed to me, it doesn’t have ich or HLLE. In the 30 second clip I saw of it in its current 75 gallon tank it isn’t swimming weirdly and it’s not bullying or being bullied by any of the fish in there with it.
My friend, who’s buying all these fishes including the hippo tang, has a larger tank with far larger and more aggressive fish and she thinks it’ll do well in my system. I’d have to keep it in the 75 for now but I’ll be on the hunt for a larger tank even before I get the tang. My friend is going to QT it for me since she has the setup to do so. If worst comes to worst the tang will be in the 75 for a month or two after it gets here but be sure that if I take this fish on I WILL get it in a larger tank within a couple of months. It helps my case that Kathy’s this excited about the hippo tang. My current tank would become the new sump when I upgrade and if it comes with a stand I’d have to modify it so I could run the sump in it, especially if I end up getting a 125.
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For those I tagged in this post please scroll down to the last paragraph or two if you don’t want to read yet another whole book. I really appreciate all your help.
Kathy ended up having to cancel her appointment yesterday and is waiting for them to reschedule her. She didn’t sleep well at all, something I completely understand. She’s been through a lot this month.
Everything’s looking good at Perseverance Reef. I was beginning to think all my brittle stars were dead but I saw one hanging an arm or two out of a rock last night. I haven’t seen any of my asterinas in the DT since setting it up. I hope I still have one or two left in there. The good news is I have two in my lifeboat tank. They’re the more attractive kind of the two I had. I still liked the white and gray ones though. At least they’re not exactly hard to come by.
There was a noticeable amount of algae on the glass tonight so I cleaned it. I didn’t target feed yesterday but the nem and the duncans are looking good. The fluorescence in the duncans is orders of magnitude better than before I started the target feeding regimen. My duncans’ polyps were open widely as well just like they get when starting a growth spurt. Here’s to hoping.
The nem looks good too but since it can’t eat as much as the duncans can it’ll take longer to see the same gains the duncans have to this point. More lighting will help. Which brings me to the next topic….
The fish I’m about to bring home, assuming all goes well, will absolutely need a larger tank. Getting the larger tank will cost about twice what the overflow would cost but it’ll be worth it. Since Kathy’s as excited as I am about this fish, being a big fan herself of “Finding Nemo”, and with her being fully aware of what size tank this fish is going to need, I pretty much have license to start searching for said larger tank.
Well now that I just pretty much revealed what fish I’m getting, there is a backstory. The person who’s selling the fish claims that the fish has a “defect” that has kept it small. It’s been in a 75 gallon tank for years according to them but looks good otherwise. I’m assuming that the “defect” is that it’s been stunted. I’ve read from some that hippo tangs won’t grow any larger even when provided with a larger tank. Even if that’s true I don’t want the fish to be tortured.
Everything I’ve ever read on these majestic creatures cites that hippos need an absolute minimum of 6 feet and preferably 8 feet of length. Thus, this is my plan. If I do indeed get this fish I’m going to get a 125 or better yet a 180. I’m going to see if the fish starts growing again. If it starts growing again, an outcome I’d hope for, I’ll have to rehome it or get an even larger tank. If it’s true that a stunted hippo tang won’t grow much if at all in an appropriately large tank then I’d still want it in a minimum of a 6 foot tank.
@fishguy242, @EeyoreIsMySpiritAnimal, @tbrown, @Lost in the Sauce, @F i s h y, @Petcrazyson, @Mschmidt, @Bleigh, have you ever heard of a defect or disease that keeps hippo tangs from growing larger than a silver dollar? I’ve seen a super short video of the fish, and it doesn’t look deformed to me, it doesn’t have ich or HLLE. In the 30 second clip I saw of it in its current 75 gallon tank it isn’t swimming weirdly and it’s not bullying or being bullied by any of the fish in there with it.
My friend, who’s buying all these fishes including the hippo tang, has a larger tank with far larger and more aggressive fish and she thinks it’ll do well in my system. I’d have to keep it in the 75 for now but I’ll be on the hunt for a larger tank even before I get the tang. My friend is going to QT it for me since she has the setup to do so. If worst comes to worst the tang will be in the 75 for a month or two after it gets here but be sure that if I take this fish on I WILL get it in a larger tank within a couple of months. It helps my case that Kathy’s this excited about the hippo tang. My current tank would become the new sump when I upgrade and if it comes with a stand I’d have to modify it so I could run the sump in it, especially if I end up getting a 125.
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I've never heard of any defect that would stunt the growth but I've seen it in lots of freshwater fish that I've rehomed from people. My Tomini Tang was in my 75 for about a year and stayed small but since I've moved it to the 125 it has nearly doubled in size. Same with my Green Chromis. Goldfish and Plecos are the few fish I have seen truly outgrow a tank but any fish can.
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heard of stunted clowns, have never seen stunted hippo ,but yes possible ,have seen stunted zebramosa's...
by the way ,happen to know a RR 180 clean w stand not too far away...
by the way ,happen to know a RR 180 clean w stand not too far away...
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I didn’t think there really was such a thing but I’ve been wrong before.
heard of stunted clowns, have never seen stunted hippo ,but yes possible ,have seen stunted zebramosa's...
by the way ,happen to know a RR 180 clean w stand not too far away...
Hmmm I’ll have to inquire about said tank.
I don't know of any defect that would keep a hippo small. Only defect is in the reefer who wants a hippo
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I don't know of any defect that would keep a hippo small. Only defect is in the reefer who wants a hippo
So it seems the consensus is that I’m not totally crazy for thinking there was no such “defect” which is a good thing for said hippo. And all I can hear in my mind now is…. Oh I want a big ol’ hippo tang for Christmas…. Only a big ol’ hippo tang will do….
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This would be lack of proper nutrition. Someone wasn't feeding the tang enough veggies. Or, not enough mixture of protein, fats, and veggies. As tangs are out of post larval stage, they need all kinds of nutrition. From pods, algae, random things they may find from a feeding frenzy in a reef. Once I added more mysis to the tanks diet 1 cube per day, my clown tang hit a growth spurt. This tells me, she needs a lot more than algae still.So it seems the consensus is that I’m not totally crazy for thinking there was no such “defect” which is a good thing for said hippo. And all I can hear in my mind now is…. Oh I want a big ol’ hippo tang for Christmas…. Only a big ol’ hippo tang will do….
Do you know how old this hippo is by chance?
I know I wasn't tagged, but I have had a hippo, powder blue in the past, they can reach 6 inches in less than 2 years in captivity. Diet is everything for growth rates, space, along with water quality.
Piglet is a year old with me and almost 5 inches now. I am not kidding you, since the last photo I took of measuring piglet at 4" , she is either the same length as the cbb, or slightly smaller or slightly larger. She wont keep still long enough for a good picture.
Hoping Kathy is well and all checks out as good news. I don't know much details, but life is not easy with medical needs
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I can’t believe I forgot to tag you.This would be lack of proper nutrition. Someone wasn't feeding the tang enough veggies. Or, not enough mixture of protein, fats, and veggies. As tangs are out of post larval stage, they need all kinds of nutrition. From pods, algae, random things they may find from a feeding frenzy in a reef. Once I added more mysis to the tanks diet 1 cube per day, my clown tang hit a growth spurt. This tells me, she needs a lot more than algae still.
Do you know how old this hippo is by chance?
I know I wasn't tagged, but I have had a hippo, powder blue in the past, they can reach 6 inches in less than 2 years in captivity. Diet is everything for growth rates, space, along with water quality.
Piglet is a year old with me and almost 5 inches now. I am not kidding you, since the last photo I took of measuring piglet at 4" , she is either the same length as the cbb, or slightly smaller or slightly larger. She wont keep still long enough for a good picture.
Hoping Kathy is well and all checks out as good news. I don't know much details, but life is not easy with medical needs
I’m sorry about that. Your input means as much to me as everyone else I’ve tagged and everyone who follows my build thread. I hope I didn’t forget to tag anyone else.You are right. I didn’t think about the different nutritional needs of younger vs older tangs. I was told the tang has been in the 75 for years. Whether that means 3 years or 10, I don’t know yet. I’m going to find out ASAP though.
I assume there’s a very high chance this fish will die early especially if it didn’t get the nutrients it needed while it was little. Even so I want to give this fish the best and longest life I possibly can. Thank you for posting this!
Thank you also for thinking of Kathy. She needs all the prayers and support she can get right now. She appreciates it as do I.
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