Nitrate

[library 112]

So my algae growth has been of the charts and I can’t seem to figure out the issue.
PH 8.6
Calcium 485
Mag 1603
Ammonia.01
Alk 8.7
Phosphate .028
Nitrate 34.7

So my ratio. Of N to P is much of a gap. And need help bringing them closer

8 fish 3 cubes a day and nori every 3

 

[rtparty]

No such thing as a nitrate to phosphate ratio

Algae is from a lack of herbivores

 

[PotatoPig]

What herbivores, snails, hermits, CUC in general do you have?

 

[library 112]

No such thing as a nitrate to phosphate ratio

Algae is from a lack of herbivores

Um yes there is and there’s articles on here about it. It’s called the red field ratio 16:1 outside that range causes algae issues

 

[library 112]

What herbivores, snails, hermits, CUC in general do you have?

Couple hermits, strawberry conch, two shrimp, and a variety of snails around 15 right now. I had a cucumber and I have not seen him actually think it’s death might be my issue

 

[library 112]

Nitrate, phosphate, and redfield ratio

As usual, going to a talk by Rich Ross gets me thinking and reading ... First as background, the Redfield Ratio is the the atomic ratio of carbon, nitrogen, and phosphorous found in phytoplankton. In itself, mostly a fun science data point. Roughly C:N:P = 106:16:1 The theory beyond that is...

www.bareefers.org

 

[rtparty]

Um yes there is and there’s articles on here about it. It’s called the red field ratio 16:1 outside that range causes algae issues

Nope. There isn’t. Complete misinformation that will get you nowhere in fighting algae

 

[rishma]

Um yes there is and there’s articles on here about it. It’s called the red field ratio 16:1 outside that range causes algae issues

Oh dear. I am sure you are honestly just on a learning journey like the rest of us, but don’t believe everything you read. The majority of the experienced reefers and those with related science backgrounds do not agree it’s an appropriate interpretation or extrapolation of Redfield’s work. You are unknowingly opening a can of worms, so I suggest you sit back with an open mind and continue the journey. Cheers.

 

[rtparty]

Nitrate, phosphate, and redfield ratio

As usual, going to a talk by Rich Ross gets me thinking and reading ... First as background, the Redfield Ratio is the the atomic ratio of carbon, nitrogen, and phosphorous found in phytoplankton. In itself, mostly a fun science data point. Roughly C:N:P = 106:16:1 The theory beyond that is...

www.bareefers.org

That whole post is loaded with false information that has been proven false over and over. Funny they mention Richard Ross and want to talk about nutrients to control algae.

Richard Ross is totally against controlling nutrients to control algae.

 

[library 112]

So here is other information:
Run a skimmer, change floss daily and socks every 3 days, have an algae scrubber, uv , and three gyers for flow in a 112 cube. Total system about 135. Good amount of corals mostly softies with a couple others. My corals struggling the most are mushrooms and gsp.

Got gorg, Goni, hammer, frog, leather, zoa, poly, lobo, pectin, blasto , acro, Duncan and 2 Chicago sunburst

Just give all info

 

[library 112]

That whole post is loaded with false information that has been proven false over and over. Funny they mention Richard Ross and want to talk about nutrients to control algae.

Richard Ross is totally against controlling nutrients to control algae.

I get that but there’s tons of articles and many who believe in a ratio. All your saying is there is non with no added reason, advice or help. So why would I listen to you?

 

[library 112]

Oh dear. I am sure you are honestly just on a learning journey like the rest of us, but don’t believe everything you read. The majority of the experienced reefers and those with related science backgrounds do not agree it’s an appropriate interpretation or extrapolation of Redfield’s work. You are unknowingly opening a can of worms, so I suggest you sit back with an open mind and continue the journey. Cheers.

Again an un helpful response. You give no advise just an air of elitism. So what’s your thoughts not your belittlement?

 

[rishma]

I suspect your phosphate is low because the algae is consuming it. This is actually pretty common. I’ve dealt with it before. I am surprised your algae scrubber isn’t keeping it out of the display.

My currently preferred way to control nutrients is carbon dosing. I’ve tried many methods but carbon dosing has been the most successful for me. There is a thread in this forum about vodka and vinegar dosing. I’d suggest taking a look and see what you think.

 

[rishma]

Again an un helpful response. You give no advise just an air of elitism. So what’s your thoughts not your belittlement?

Sorry it came across that way. I don’t engage in heated exchanges and certainly don’t mean to start them. I’ll see myself out, but had already posted a separate note I meant to be helpful. Best of luck.

 

[rtparty]

I get that but there’s tons of articles and many who believe in a ratio. All your saying is there is non with no added reason, advice or help. So why would I listen to you?

The Redfield ratio is completely misused and misunderstood by those who promote it for our use.
Redfield ratio is about the composition of specific plankton in a specific part of the world. It has NOTHING to do with the water surrounding that plankton. Ocean water doesn’t follow the Redfield ratio because again, it has nothing to do with the water

The movie above I linked will help you solve the vast majority of algae issues. To make it quicker, up your herbivores.

Here is another link where Hans Werner talks about there being no ratio:

NP Plus - Phosphate / Nitrate ratio

According to previous threads on NP Plus, I am suppose to test phosphate only because nitrate is expected to remain 0 while using NP Plus. I did not know that at first so I kept dumping NP Plus and testing my nitrate. I finally got a Hanna Phosphate test kit and it is reading 0.39 for...

www.reef2reef.com

Hans is one of the best chemists in the hobby and founder of Tropic Marin. He knows a few things

 

[library 112]

I suspect your phosphate is low because the algae is consuming it. This is actually pretty common. I’ve dealt with it before. I am surprised your agar scrubber is n it keeping it out of the display.

My currently preferred way to control nutrients is carbon dosing. I’ve tried many methods but carbon dosing has been the most successful for me. There is a thread in this forum about vodka and vinegar dosing. I’d suggest taking a look and see what you think.

I suspect your phosphate is low because the algae is consuming it. This is actually pretty common. I’ve dealt with it before. I am surprised your agar scrubber is n it keeping it out of the display.

My currently preferred way to control nutrients is carbon dosing. I’ve tried many methods but carbon dosing has been the most successful for me. There is a thread in this forum about vodka and vinegar dosing. I’d suggest taking a look and see what you think.

so right now if you were to look at my take algae is nearly gone. Been keeping on it. I turned a corner about a week ago. Algae has been receding but nitrate climbing and phosphate dropping. Now I’m seeing algae start to grab hold again. Been staying away from chemicals and cleaning, water change floss change and micro factor add

 

[library 112]

The Redfield ratio is completely misused and misunderstood by those who promote it for our use.
Redfield ratio is about the composition of specific plankton in a specific part of the world. It has NOTHING to do with the water surrounding that plankton. Ocean water doesn’t follow the Redfield ratio because again, it has nothing to do with the water

The movie above I linked will help you solve the vast majority of algae issues. To make it quicker, up your herbivores.

Here is another link where Hans Werner talks about there being no ratio:

NP Plus - Phosphate / Nitrate ratio

According to previous threads on NP Plus, I am suppose to test phosphate only because nitrate is expected to remain 0 while using NP Plus. I did not know that at first so I kept dumping NP Plus and testing my nitrate. I finally got a Hanna Phosphate test kit and it is reading 0.39 for...

www.reef2reef.com

Hans is one of the best chemists in the hobby and founder of Tropic Marin. He knows a few things

Thank you watching the vid as I responded . Seriously I have read a lot not just on what I posted and just can’t figure it out. I have been a fresh water guy and even a breeder for chiclids. This last now 10 months in the salt game has me going bonkers. I gave gf ad every pest, every algae, every issue in 10 months and just losing it

 

[rtparty]

Thank you watching the vid as I responded . Seriously I have read a lot not just on what I posted and just can’t figure it out. I have been a fresh water guy and even a breeder for chiclids. This last now 10 months in the salt game has me going bonkers. I gave gf ad every pest, every algae, every issue in 10 months and just losing it

Yes, SW and FW are different beasts. SW has unfortunately become harder over the last 10-15 years due to dry sand, dry rock, sterile everything, strip the water clean, etc….

IMO the hobby needs to find an easy and economical way to speed up the maturation and make it easier early on

I am working on a test/experiment setup currently and if it works, I will have more try it.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

I get that but there’s tons of articles and many who believe in a ratio. All your saying is there is non with no added reason, advice or help. So why would I listen to you?

The ratio has certain meanings in certain situations, but algae growth from off ratios is not one of them.

No matter what the ratio is, if you have enough N and enough P, algae can grow.

 

[Mr. Mojo Rising]

8 fish and 3 cubes per day seems like a lot IMO, To give you an idea, I feed 3/4 of a cube to 18 fish. Maybe try cutting those cubes in half and see how it goes.