MXM: Missing Anti-Sync and Back Profiles for Vortech

Kindred · Jun 17, 2023

Returning mine, I got so excited at the thought of dumping mobius that I bought it. But still having to do mobius, no versa support, and no antisync makes it meh….

zoomonster · Jun 17, 2023

Kindred said:
Returning mine, I got so excited at the thought of dumping mobius that I bought it. But still having to do mobius, no versa support, and no antisync makes it meh….

Kind of surprised at that because WXM certainly has sync/antisync support and I use it on my MP40wqd's. I'm guessing the rest will follow hopefully sooner rather than later. Then again being they have worked on this thing several years there really is no excuse for missing functionality.

rtparty · Jun 17, 2023

zoomonster said:
Kind of surprised at that because WXM certainly has sync/antisync support and I use it on my MP40wqd's. I'm guessing the rest will follow hopefully sooner rather than later. Then again being they have worked on this thing several years there really is no excuse for missing functionality.

Several years? Did they say that somewhere?

Sisterlimonpot · Jun 17, 2023

zoomonster said:
The thing that's going to suck is there is no device grouping in Apex.

Actually there is. You can create groups. When you click on a radion outlet, click on the gear.

After that it's pretty intuitive. You can only group similar lights... blues with blues, g5s with g5s etc.

IKD · Jun 18, 2023

Kindred said:
Returning mine, I got so excited at the thought of dumping mobius that I bought it. But still having to do mobius, no versa support, and no antisync makes it meh….

I returned mine today. Same reason as you but also didn’t realize G4’s weren’t supported either until after getting it. Mine are all G4’s still LOL

Coolcasino · Jun 18, 2023

zoomonster said:
The thing that's going to suck is there is no device grouping in Apex.

Sisterlimonpot said:
Actually there is. You can create groups. When you click on a radion outlet, click on the gear.

After that it's pretty intuitive. You can only group similar lights... blues with blues, g5s with g5s etc.

Right. I have all 3 of my Radions together on 1 slider. Moonlight program for all 3 on 1 slider aswell. Stumbled upon this after I had added my program for my first light. Thankfully I also figured out you could copy templets into other lights. Dont know if you even need to copy templets if you just group them together cause by doing this its basically a parent child relationship.

Coolcasino · Jun 18, 2023

Kindred said:
Returning mine, I got so excited at the thought of dumping mobius that I bought it. But still having to do mobius, no versa support, and no antisync makes it meh….

I dont blame ya. I too was salivating not having to use Mobius but that came crashing down once I had the new grey box. I knew about the versas. Still surprised that older pumps and lights cant just get a firmware update (or can they?) and the MXM can pick it up. For me I can wait until the versas are suported. I still have my MP40s on my WXM. Having the control of my lights with my Apex far outweigh the negatives for me atleast.

IKD · Jun 18, 2023

Coolcasino said:
I dont blame ya. I too was salivating not having to use Mobius but that came crashing down once I had the new grey box. I knew about the versas. Still surprised that older pumps and lights cant just get a firmware update (or can they?) and the MXM can pick it up. For me I can wait until the versas are suported. I still have my MP40s on my WXM. Having the control of my lights with my Apex far outweigh the negatives for me atleast.

Have they stated Versas will be included at some point?

Coolcasino · Jun 18, 2023

They said they are going to be adding more to it. Paul from Neptune didn't want to promise anything but was leaning towards it. Also I don't think he really has any say in it as Ecotech could very well be the ones needing to rewrite all the coding for everything to work. I wouldn't be surprised if they will only be able to connect to the latest Versas. I was getting the impression from Paul that there was a software difference in some of the Versas and that's why they put the Versas on the back burner. I would not buy this module based on "It will be added" if that is the only reason you wanted the module. I would wait till the Versas were added. Trust me, if I didn't have a WXM I would be returning this module. Since it has given me a small upgrade in control of my lights it will be a keeper. If the Versas are added it will be a plus. I really haven't even looked into if I can add my MP40s. I never ran them Mobius. I'm sure I just need to upgrade the firmware. When the MXM has anti sync maybe I will switch them to it. They will be added all the features. I'm just shocked they released this module without 1 of the MP pumps core features. Again the ball is in Ecotechs court. I believe they are the ones that need to make the changes as Mobius is who is sending everything to the Apex.

Mkeller088 · Jun 19, 2023

I really tried to embrace MXM. Truthfully, Mobius is far far far more capable, and informative. I’m done moving little orange balls around. No sync//anti sync for my gyre. Graphics are not even close. Back to Mobius,
BRS will get mine back. Very cumbersome , too many snags.
This is how it’s done…….not the last one. So disappointed.
On the bright side, Apex Fusion as a whole absolutely rocks. I’m only disappointed in the MXM. I hope one of the two can get us some versa control that’s as good as APEX DOS.

Mkeller088 · Jun 19, 2023

Coolcasino said:
Right. I have all 3 of my Radions together on 1 slider. Moonlight program for all 3 on 1 slider aswell. Stumbled upon this after I had added my program for my first light. Thankfully I also figured out you could copy templets into other lights. Dont know if you even need to copy templets if you just group them together cause by doing this its basically a parent child relationship.

Coolcasino · Jun 19, 2023

Mkeller088 said:
I really tried to embrace MXM. Truthfully, Mobius is far far far more capable, and informative. I’m done moving little orange balls around. No sync//anti sync for my gyre. Graphics are not even close. Back to Mobius,
BRS will get mine back. Very cumbersome , too many snags.
This is how it’s done…….not the last one. So disappointed.
On the bright side, Apex Fusion as a whole absolutely rocks. I’m only disappointed in the MXM. I hope one of the two can get us some versa control that’s as good as APEX DOS.

I totally agree with you. But for me the control Fusion/MXM is giving me is more important than the information that Mobius gave me. The MXM is giving me the control that I was looking for. I am happy with it but disappointed in it at the same time. It's going to be up to Ecotech on how much better the MXM gets. And this is where much of my disappointment is, having to wait for Ecotech.

artman · Jun 24, 2023

Having a mxm adding a unified feed mode is worth the loss of antisync IMHO. It was such a pain to switch to feed mode in fusion and mobius especially with the weak bluetooth signal needed to interface mobius. I have two systems separated by a wireless deflecting wall. Mobius bluetooth control was a pain. Only being able to control mobius with one device was also a royal pain. Now I can have two mxm each near the devices for efficient control. And I control the feed mode with any number of devies including a computer. Wonder if two vortechs in independent reef crest will grow corals any different than one in reefcrest and the other in antisync.

Starter · Jun 26, 2023

The sync and anti sync options are there but then you cannot select a pump so stuck. This is all in profiles btw.

lefkonj · Jul 16, 2023

just ridiculous that you have to reprogram as well. These companies are all owned by the same group they should have a method to import the settings. This is why people hate monopolies, they just don't care about the customer.

Rusty904 · Jul 21, 2023

Anti sync is there, you have to go to profiles and first create a profile for your eco tech pump. Picture for example. You would choose anti sync and set the power %. Name it what you want. Then you would use it by using advanced setting on the specific pump.

Rusty904 · Jul 21, 2023

Rusty904 said:
Anti sync is there, you have to go to profiles and first create a profile for your eco tech pump. Picture for example. You would choose anti sync and set the power %. Name it what you want. Then you would use it by using advanced setting on the specific pump.

Another pic for example of advanced settings on my one MP10. All using profiles.

Bluedore · Jul 21, 2023

Rusty904 said:
Another pic for example of advanced settings on my one MP10. All using profiles.

Great Info! Do you still need to setup at the pump controller to master/slave and sync/anti-sync? Thanks.

Sisterlimonpot · Jul 21, 2023

I'm curious if the timing of gyre or pulse is accurate? My issue was that you couldn't achieve a standing wave because you couldn't get them timed properly.

Rusty904 · Jul 21, 2023

Bluedore said:
Great Info! Do you still need to setup at the pump controller to master/slave and sync/anti-sync? Thanks.

Currently it won’t let you select the master pump on the anti sync profile. May have to wait for an update on the drop down for master pump. Once you can select the pump master it’s as simple as putting the first line in advanced setting as Set Anti-Sync or whatever you name it followed by the rest of your programming.