Let’s Mix it Up! Designing and Using a Water Mixing Station

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Here's my design. Let me know what you think. I've got a panworld 40 pump. The Roto-Mold already has a float valve inside it, as I got it from the guy I got the RODI unit from (he had already sold the 2nd Roto-Mold). I assume I should have a float valve in the Brute too. Will the Brute float hook up to the pump power?
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A couple of uniseals, couple elbows, and clear tubing does the trick. My first station is in the picture below. Notice the clear tubes on the sides with 5 gallon marks.

I really like this idea. Any issues with it? How do you cut the hole in the Brute? Box cutters?
 

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Here's my design. Let me know what you think. I've got a panworld 40 pump. The Roto-Mold already has a float valve inside it, as I got it from the guy I got the RODI unit from (he had already sold the 2nd Roto-Mold). I assume I should have a float valve in the Brute too. Will the Brute float hook up to the pump power?

I feel like the view tube on the Brute is a bit overkill, you can just open the lid and see what's in there. But to each their own! Unless you are auto-filling the Brute, no need for a float switch. Regarding the float valve in the RO/DI container, you have to make sure your RO/DI unit is equipped to properly stop flowing when it gets back pressure from the float closing the valve. If the previous owner set it up with a float valve, then it probably has it:
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How long can RO/DI water sit in one of these containers? Is there a shelf life? Just thinking to pick a couple up and put in my basement filled with RO/DI water in case of any emergency it’s good to have water on hand.
 
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I really like this idea. Any issues with it? How do you cut the hole in the Brute? Box cutters?

It worked very well when I was using it. I drilled the holes with a standard hole drill bit. Have to use uniseals though as it's a curved surface.
 
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How long can RO/DI water sit in one of these containers? Is there a shelf life? Just thinking to pick a couple up and put in my basement filled with RO/DI water in case of any emergency it’s good to have water on hand.

Essentially indefinitely if it's sealed properly.
 
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I feel like the view tube on the Brute is a bit overkill, you can just open the lid and see what's in there. But to each their own!...

Agree...it's not necessary. But remember this is a hobby of overkill filled with people that like to tinker, myself included...lol.

In all seriousness though, on my old system in that picture, I had plumbed the RODI container through the lid of the salt container and gravity fed it. Therefore, I could not "easily" get the lid off to take a peak. And I needed a ladder to see in the top of the RODI container. That's why I did what I did and it worked well for me.
 

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Here is my set up. Went with two 105g tall thin tanks due to space I had. Found a heavy duty 3000lbs work bench that fit perfectly in the space, and did all my own plumbing. Perfect height since I am tall and don’t need to be bending over constantly. Went with an EcoTech Vectra L1 as I wanted the best for head pressure since my tank is over 30 feet away when pumping to the tank. Also due to the fact the tanks are 6’ Tall and with mixing I wanted to not worry about the pump. I also like the fact I can turn it on and off with EcoTech’s app on my phone, so when filling I can stop the flow any time.

If you feel like following my 265G Build.

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Agree...it's not necessary. But remember this is a hobby of overkill filled with people that like to tinker, myself included...lol.

In all seriousness though, on my old system in that picture, I had plumbed the RODI container through the lid of the salt container and gravity fed it. Therefore, I could not "easily" get the lid off to take a peak. And I needed a ladder to see in the top of the RODI container. That's why I did what I did and it worked well for me.
I'm not very good at estimating, and I'll be adding salt according to how much water I have, and I might make varying amounts of water...
 

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Let’s Mix it Up!

There is one undeniable fact in this hobby – WE ALL NEED WATER! In fact, two types of water. Clean fresh water (FW) run through a quality RODI system and the obvious saltwater (SW). Secondly, we all know what a water change is. This is not an article on whether or not water changes are required or necessary, nor is it an article to discuss frequency. Your research and ultimate reefing philosophy will determine those answers for you.

Water changes can be done using something as simple as a 5 gallon bucket. If that is how you currently do it, and you’re okay with that, you can stop reading and move on. But if you’re looking for something a little more formal, and might I add potentially easier, you may want to continue reading. I’ll try not to bore your too much!

My personal goal was to never lift another bucket again…simple as that. So I started searching the internet for ideas. Between Google, forums, Yourtube and Mytube, I quickly realized I didn’t need to recreate the wheel. There is a plethora of designs out there to choose from…pick one. Remember, imitation is the highest form a flattery!

The most critical component of making water is obviously the RODI unit. All I will say is, if you don’t have one yet, get one! I am of the opinion that having control of your water is vital. Making your own (nothing against LFS’s, I love mine) is about the only way to insure you know the exact quality of your water.

The Equipment

Subject to the design you choose, here’s a simple breakdown of what you will and/or may need:

  • RODI unit you already have or will be buying (hint-hint)
  • A shut-off valve and float switch – no flooding necessary!
  • Water storage containers with lids – two of them preferably
    • One for FW, and one for new SW
    • These should be food-grade quality containers, preferably they will be NSF Approved
    • Size determined by your needs/system capacity
    • The grey Brute trash cans are very common and often used
    • Although more costly, the water storage containers found online and in farm supply stores work nicely as well
  • Plumbing
    • I like to use good old PVC (we usually have some laying around anyway right)
    • Ball valves, T’s, Elbows and Unions
  • Connections – Plumbing in to container walls and/or tops
    • Bulkheads for flat surfaces
    • Uniseals for curved surfaces
  • Pump for mixing
    • If designed properly, you can use one pump for mixing and distribution
  • Powerhead and Heater – resides in the SW container
  • A switched Power strip for easy control (optional)
  • Hose long enough to reach your display/sump/top-off reservoir
    • Or if you have the ability to hard plumb to your display, even better.
The Location

Obviously this will be unique to your environment. My biggest suggestion is in a controlled environment, meaning it’s heated and/or cooled depending on your climate. If you’re lucky enough to have a fish room, then it’s pretty obvious! If not, then maybe it’s a spare closet, the laundry room, the garage or basement may work if temperatures are at least somewhat stable. Note: Garages and basements, particularly non-insulated ones, can cause issues with RODI unit production during extreme temperatures, so choose your space wisely.

You may have to get creative. In my case, my wife wanted me to redo the foyer. Through intense negotiations (which I rarely win) I was able to commandeer the coat closet that had become the dumping grounds for all things junk. I took that space, which happened to back to our laundry room. So she got a new foyer and I got the perfect spot for a mixing station. Use your creativity and you’ll be surprised what you can come up with.

One thing you do have to keep in mind is access to water supply and drainage. That RODI unit you already had or will be getting soon (hint-hint) doesn’t come with its own water! That’s why a laundry room works great. You’ll have both the supply and drain for the washing machine right there at your disposal.

The Assembly

By now, you should have already flattered someone by using their design, but here is a breakdown of the basics. To try to make this easier, the image below is a picture of mine just after setting it up. I’ve labeled things and will refer to this image moving forward.

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You can see my RODI unit mounted above. The lettered items are “equipment” and the numbered items are “valves”. This is merely for reference and by no means the only (or best for that matter) way of putting together a mixing station.
The main idea of doing all this is to mix and move water, so at a minimum, your new mixing station should be able to:
  • Transfer water between containers
  • Pump/circulate water within the SW mixing container for well, mixing!
  • Pump both FW and SW to the display and/or top-off reservoir.
  • You will want to be able to empty the containers in case of prolonged power outage or a visit from Mr. Murphy - the inevitable pump failure.
In both containers, you’ll need a connection towards the bottom. In the SW container, you’ll also want one towards the top of the container. This will allow circulation within the container for mixing. Your containers will determine how this accomplished – uniseal or bulkhead.

The Operations – (Using the picture above for reference)

Your RODI system will produce FW and be stored in the first container A. You will use this FW for top-offs, as well as supply your second container B with water that will become your new SW after mixing. With this design, and the turning of a few valves, pump C does all the work. Said differently, no more buckets!!! So let’s move some water:

For discussion purposes, assume all valves are closed (like pictured) at the beginning of each task – represented by numbered items below. I would recommend closing all valves at the end of any task to lessen the chances of cross-contaminating the FW and SW. You will also need a hose with a ball valve on the output end. Again, if you can hard plumb to your display/sump/ATO reservoir, all the better.

  1. Move FW to top-off reservoir in the stand under display (in my case)
    • Attach hose to the outlet of valve 2 (there is a hose bib converter on the end of that valve)
    • Open valves 2 and 4, turn on pump C to fill reservoir via hose
  2. Move FW to the SW container B for mixing
    1. o Open valve 1 and valve 4, turn on pump C to pump over to container B.
  3. Mixing new SW
    • o Put salt into container B
    • o Open valve 1 and valve 3, turn on pump C and begin mixing salt via circulation
    • Editor Note: In my case, I built a shelf over my mixing station, so I purchased the hopper D to add salt. Totally unnecessary if you have access to the top of your container.
  4. Move SW to Display for Water Change
    • Open valves 2 and valve 3, turn on pump C to pump SW to display via hose
  5. Empty Containers without pump due to power outage or visit from Mr. Murphy
    • Attached hose to end of either valve 5 or 6, and open the valve. Gravity will do its thing
Heating:

I have a heater inside container B. I only heat just prior to using the SW. Some will argue this is not necessary dependent on the quantity of your water change, which may very well be true. But since I have the heater already, I just try to match the display.

Water Storage and Continued Mixing:

This is another area of debate among hobbyists. We’ve all seen the threads asking “How long can I keep mixed saltwater?” And “Should I keep it mixed”. There are far too many choices/options to discuss here. Me personally, I mix up about 50 gallons at a time. I mix and heat just prior to performing a water change.

When it comes to storing your RODI water, the important factor is to keep it sealed as tightly as possible. Very simply put, RODI water has been stripped of all things bad, and if allowed, it will try to grab those bad things back! So an air tight lid is best and no stirring necessary.

Over time your containers interior may build up some nasty’s and need to be cleaned. An annual cleaning (or more often if necessary) is recommended – let vinegar be your friend.

Extras

You may have noticed on my station a couple things under the RODI unit. In addition to a powerhead and heater, I also have a salinity monitor and thermometer inside the SW container. I didn’t want to drill a hole in the lid, so I came up with this.
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Are there fancier ways of doing this, sure? Did I have this stuff already lying amongst my fish stuff, heck yes! It works great and is essentially air tight once the uniseal is capped with the PVC. Lastly, although I do not have a picture, all the interior items in my SW container are zipped tied to a long piece of PVC that rests inside the container. So if need be, I can pull that one piece of PVC out and bring all the equipment with it. That is the one thing I thought of myself!!!

Let your imagination run wild with one goal in mind…what you can do to make things easier on yourself. This hobby can be difficult enough on its own. Something as simple as a well-designed mixing station can make your weekly/bi-weekly/monthly/whenever water changes a little easier.

I hope this has helped at least give you an idea of the what’s and how’s of a mixing station. Don’t be afraid to put yours together. Having control of the water quality will be something you will never regret. Never lifting another bucket isn’t bad either.

Happy Reefing!
Great thread!! Thank you for sharing!!
 

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Here is my set up. Went with two 105g tall thin tanks due to space I had. Found a heavy duty 3000lbs work bench that fit perfectly in the space, and did all my own plumbing. Perfect height since I am tall and don’t need to be bending over constantly. Went with an EcoTech Vectra L1 as I wanted the best for head pressure since my tank is over 30 feet away when pumping to the tank. Also due to the fact the tanks are 6’ Tall and with mixing I wanted to not worry about the pump. I also like the fact I can turn it on and off with EcoTech’s app on my phone, so when filling I can stop the flow any time.

If you feel like following my 265G Build.

www.instagram.com/My265GSliceOfTheOcean

www.FB.com/My265GSliceOfTheOcean


What adaptor or reducer are you using from your bulkheads?
 
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