I actually make my horses immune by feeding them blackworms.
I eat them myself.
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I actually make my horses immune by feeding them blackworms.
Is that what happened to all my horses?I eat them myself.
Hi Newtron,I'm Pretty new to the hobby, But my local reef store I love Quarantines all of its incoming fish for two weeks minimum prior to sale in copper/medicated tanks.
(If you would push him I am sure he would sell you whatever but he warns you of the risk)
But for someone like me he holds the fish in the quarantine with copper and once they are given a clean bill of health he moves them to his main display tank that is copper free.
No fish makes it to the copper free tank without a quarantine first and clean bill of health or to my tank at home.
He dips all his corals prior to sale as well. And still, recomends you dipping the coral again.
I do not have room for a Quarantine tank in my home (Live in Los Angeles near the beach most homes are really small) this setup with my local reef store works out really well.
However some of the flaming going on in the thread are very discouraging and one of the main reasons I don't do forums.
Forums in my mind are to share and help one another and enjoying seeing the triumphs and help people thru struggles. And my #1 reason to look at the bad *** tanks. "Not tell someone you don't have enough money to do it"
(I think there is also a DIY to help save money section on this forum as well)
It is also a place to band together and maybe start to demand that "online retailers only sell healthy fish to customers. Not ones just plucked out of the sea its in my tank it's for sale."
It's also a good place to learn what local stores have good practices and what stores don't.
Sorry to digress.
But I trust certain local reef stores for my fish, and not others.
So I do a 30 min acclimation with a (Microdrop) 60Drop iv drip set to fully open or 1000 gtts/min then net and dump into my main tank. (NO Quarantine because it was done at the store)
~Newtron
No, simple deduction my friend and using simple horse sense, it must be the black worms. Who can eat a whole horse duuuhhh? Any horse you ask would agree...Is that what happened to all my horses?
Here is an explanation by Paul B that may be useful. There are many other posts by him that will be helpful as well. I do not understand how it would help flukes and parasites but it does on his system. A fresh water dip may help to give your fish a chance at immunity when feeding as he does or put them straight in and feed as he does. White worms are easier to raise, PaulB said he has seen them alive after 5 days in SW. Best of luck.I don't know who PaulB is but it seems I need to read some of his tank journo if he has one.
Here is an explanation by Paul B that may be useful. There are many other posts by him that will be helpful as well. I do not understand how it would help flukes and parasites but it does on his system. A fresh water dip may help to give your fish a chance at immunity when feeding as he does or put them straight in and feed as he does. White worms are easier to raise, PaulB said he has seen them alive after 5 days in SW. Best of luck.
https://www.reef2reef.com/threads/the-importance-of-live-bacteria-in-food.300641/#post-3681579
I always hoped for PaulBs approach to be true but, in my opinion, his success is the combination of good fish health and the ozone generator he uses. .
Don't forget luck.
in my opinion, his success is the combination of good fish health and the ozone generator he uses.
If it was luck you wouldn't need the ozone
Stupidest thing I have ever done in my tank was to buy it still in the shipping bag and then acclimate and dump in my display tank.
Good fish health is the result of good food.
If ozone is the secret, why doesn't everyone just use ozone.
It CAN be complicated to setup, it's an expense many don't consider important.If ozone is the secret, why doesn't everyone just use ozone.
PaulB,, when you introduce new fish, especially sickly fish, to your tank they do not have this immunity you speak of. So how exactly do they just get immune when you like to make a point that you hope you have a ton of ich and other disease/parasites in your tank? Immunity happens over night in your tank? No, the ozone kills enough for them to get better and the diet you feed them allows them to get healthy.
Ok I'll bite. Fish from the sea are not all immune if they were these parasites wouldn't exist. Immunity doesn't "start to work". Sure maybe a weakened immune system isn't as efficient at times but that's different.Fish from the sea are all immune. Their immunity is in a very weakened state when we get them because they are severely stressed and probably haven't been fed.
When I put them in my tank of course if they are real sick, they die. That rarely happens because my tank is natural and I don't buy a fish I can't properly feed and I never try to get it to eat something it isn't supposed to eat.
In a few days as they are eating the correct food, their immunity starts to work and the fish lives on long enough to get me in trouble because no one believes in immunity so I must be very lucky. Or it's the Ozone.
People fear Ozone for some reason like it is radioactive fallout. If it is in your home, you would smell it right away and it won't kill you. I don't even use a controller, I don't tweek it, I don't pay any attention to it, it is just there. I like it like so many people like test kits and quarantine tanks. It's just me. I don't feel it does anything to parasites because I am sure if there are ten thousand parasites in my gravel and 6 of them a day swim up to the surface to get caught in my surface skimmer to get Ozonated, those 6 parasites may get killed but their thousands of cousins are happily there trying to infect my immune fish.
To set up an ozonizer, you plug it in and connect an air hose to it, then go out to dinner and forget about it. I never touch it and sometimes I shut it off to clean my skimmer top and forget to turn it back on for a month or two.
I have been told my fish don't get sick because of getting trapped in my UG filter, there is something in my tank that eats parasites, my algae filter scares them away, ozone or my favorite, luck.
My ozonizer cost about a hundred bucks many years ago but most people spend that on test kits, ASW to change water every week, hospital tanks, quarantine tanks LED systems and medications. So to me my ozonizer is cheap. If it croaks I may not even replace it because I am not even sure it does anything.
If people feel the Ozone is the key, it's silly not to use it and much better than the alternative. But it's your tank.