I made a website

[TraydersAnonymous]

So I was having troubles today trying to figure out the correct amount of all for reef to dose into my aquarium.
I struggle sometimes with numbers and figuring out these types of Things. So i decided to make a convenient AI chat bot to help with whatever reef questions and other questions you might have. Yes as simple as " If the standard dose of all for reef in reef tank is 5ml per 100 litres, how much would I need to dose for a 15 galon nano tank. "

For many this is a simple task but for others it isn't. Such is life. There is no spam and no bots searching for your email or personal info. Id appreciate some feedback. Thanks
New reefer,

Have a peek and let me know what you think. this is my first website ever and I decided to start making it at 12:30 pm est here it is

https://reefassistant.org/

 

[KING KONG]

So I was having troubles today trying to figure out the correct amount of all for reef to dose into my aquarium.
I struggle sometimes with numbers and figuring out these types of Things. So i decided to make a convenient AI chat bot to help with whatever reef questions and other questions you might have. Yes as simple as " If the standard dose of all for reef in reef tank is 5ml per 100 litres, how much would I need to dose for a 15 galon nano tank. "

For many this is a simple task but for others it isn't. Such is life. There is no spam and no bots searching for your email or personal info. Id appreciate some feedback. Thanks
New reefer,

Have a peek and let me know what you think. this is my first website ever and I decided to start making it at 12:30 pm est here it is

https://reefassistant.org/

Looking Very useful app. It will be very helpful to new reefers

 

[TraydersAnonymous]

Looking Very useful app. It will be very helpful to new reefers

Its a complex thing AI, it can scour the internet for multiple years of info up to date a free.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Interesting. I tested it against the same questions I tried on ChatGPT:

ChatGPT and Reef Chemistry: We Try it Out!

Why didn't I think of this sooner. No need to have a real person helping out. lol Here are a few examples that I asked it today, in order of increasing difficulty (IMO): 1. Describe the importance of alkalinity and calcium in a coral reef aquarium. ChatGPT reply: Alkalinity and calcium are...

www.reef2reef.com

Overall, it's answers were shorter than ChatGPT, and in one case (temperature dependence of conductivity measurements) was more of a restatement of the question premise than actually answering the question in a detailed manner (ChatGPT gave a long and incorrect answer lol).

Interestingly, both it and ChatGPT made the same serious mistake of claiming alkalinity is important because it stabilizes pH without any other reason given.

Q: Describe the importance of alkalinity and calcium in a coral reef aquarium

A: Alkalinity and calcium are extremely important in a coral reef aquarium. Alkalinity helps to maintain a stable pH and creates an environment suitable for coral growth. Calcium helps to strengthen coral skeletons, allowing the coral to build and maintain its structure. Without proper levels of alkalinity and calcium, corals will not be able to survive and grow.

This site also claimed that silicate is a limiting nutrient for dinos, while ChatGPT got that one correct:

Q: Is silicate a limiting nutrient for dinoflagellates in a coral reef aquarium?

A: Silicate can be a limiting nutrient for dinoflagellates in a coral reef aquarium if the silicate levels become too high. This can occur if there is an excess of silicates present in the aquarium, as silicates are often present in aquarium treatments such as coral food or additives. It is important to monitor the silicate levels in the aquarium so that the dinoflagellates can receive the nutrients they require.

 

[TraydersAnonymous]

So its meant more for people asking simpler questions, and as someone who has had well over a few hours of conversations with AI you have to word your questions differently sometimes to get more appropriate answers. Try asking it some more beginner questions. Weird but I asked it a similar question about alkalinity, lol and ended up re asking and got a better answer. As I mentioned it is a simple ai, Also my first dabble with it all.

I appreciate the feedback, sincerely

 

[TraydersAnonymous]

Interesting. I tested it against the same questions I tried on ChatGPT:

ChatGPT and Reef Chemistry: We Try it Out!

Why didn't I think of this sooner. No need to have a real person helping out. lol Here are a few examples that I asked it today, in order of increasing difficulty (IMO): 1. Describe the importance of alkalinity and calcium in a coral reef aquarium. ChatGPT reply: Alkalinity and calcium are...

www.reef2reef.com

Overall, it's answers were shorter than ChatGPT, and in one case (temperature dependence of conductivity measurements) was more of a restatement of the question premise than actually answering the question in a detailed manner (ChatGPT gave a long and incorrect answer lol).

Interestingly, both it and ChatGPT made the same serious mistake of claiming alkalinity is important because it stabilizes pH without any other reason given.

Q: Describe the importance of alkalinity and calcium in a coral reef aquarium

A: Alkalinity and calcium are extremely important in a coral reef aquarium. Alkalinity helps to maintain a stable pH and creates an environment suitable for coral growth. Calcium helps to strengthen coral skeletons, allowing the coral to build and maintain its structure. Without proper levels of alkalinity and calcium, corals will not be able to survive and grow.

This site also claimed that silicate is a limiting nutrient for dinos, while ChatGPT got that one correct:

Q: Is silicate a limiting nutrient for dinoflagellates in a coral reef aquarium?

A: Silicate can be a limiting nutrient for dinoflagellates in a coral reef aquarium if the silicate levels become too high. This can occur if there is an excess of silicates present in the aquarium, as silicates are often present in aquarium treatments such as coral food or additives. It is important to monitor the silicate levels in the aquarium so that the dinoflagellates can receive the nutrients they require.

with regards the calcium alkalinity question, it seems like it only answered the question you ask and didnt expand because it wasn't prompted to give the description of how. if you are a bit more forward with the answer your looking for it will describe how alkalinity helps to maintain ph,

Q:how does the alkalinity keep the ph stable ?

A: Alkalinity helps keep the pH levels stable by providing buffering capacity, meaning it can absorb excess acids or bases and help keep the pH levels constant. This helps to create a stable environment for the reef tank inhabitants.

 

[BZOFIQ]

I dont think we are there yet with AI

Well Amazon has nothing, Ebay has nothing and Marine Depot - it doesn't kinda sorta really exist.

Interesting concept though

 

[TraydersAnonymous]

I dont think we are there yet with AI

Well Amazon has nothing, Ebay has nothing and Marine Depot - it doesn't kinda sorta really exist.

Interesting concept though

Those pumps are insane lol I just looked them up, but I got it to give me a location online not sure if that's cheap.
https://www.reefsupplies.ca/search?type=product&q=abyzz*

Its not really meant to help you shop its meant to give some advantage to someone who lacks knowledge. thanks for the feedback though.

 

[TraydersAnonymous]

Those pumps are insane lol I just looked them up, but I got it to give me a location online not sure if that's cheap.
https://www.reefsupplies.ca/search?type=product&q=abyzz*

Its not really meant to help you shop its meant to give some advantage to someone who lacks knowledge. thanks for the feedback though.

it gave me this to, but im from the gta and asked it specifically for my area and canada
https://saltwaterpros.ca/products/a...-dc-pump-4-900gph?_pos=1&_sid=7b940aff4&_ss=r

 

[BZOFIQ]

Those pumps are insane lol I just looked them up, but I got it to give me a location online not sure if that's cheap.
https://www.reefsupplies.ca/search?type=product&q=abyzz*

Its not really meant to help you shop its meant to give some advantage to someone who lacks knowledge. thanks for the feedback though.

it gave me this to, but im from the gta and asked it specifically for my area and canada
https://saltwaterpros.ca/products/a...-dc-pump-4-900gph?_pos=1&_sid=7b940aff4&_ss=r

Thank you but I'm not really looking for one, I have the A200 on the new build and it's absolutely great.

I just figured I'd play along to test the AI. That said, it did answer couple of other simple questions correctly.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

with regards the calcium alkalinity question, it seems like it only answered the question you ask and didnt expand because it wasn't prompted to give the description of how. if you are a bit more forward with the answer your looking for it will describe how alkalinity helps to maintain ph,

Q:how does the alkalinity keep the ph stable ?

A: Alkalinity helps keep the pH levels stable by providing buffering capacity, meaning it can absorb excess acids or bases and help keep the pH levels constant. This helps to create a stable environment for the reef tank inhabitants.

I understand it may be a work in progress, but this is a basic question that it is getting wrong.

I was looking more for the importance of alkalinity as a surrogate measure of bicarbonate or carbonate that corals need to make skeletons. I do not consider the pH stability to be the answer.

Q: why measure alkalinity in a coral reef aquarium?

A: Alkalinity is an important measure of water quality in a coral reef aquarium because it helps maintain a stable pH level, which is vital for coral health. Alkalinity also acts as a buffer against sudden changes in pH.

That is not the correct answer, in my opinion.

it is only when i seemingly already know the answer, does it get it right:

Q: How should I ensure that corals have adequate bicarbonate in a coral reef aquarium?

A: To ensure that corals have adequate bicarbonate in a coral reef aquarium, you should test the alkalinity level and adjust it as necessary. Additionally, you can add a bicarbonate buffer to the tank to maintain the desired level. Finally, you should maintain an adequate flow of water in the tank to ensure that the bicarbonate levels remain balanced.


Both it and ChatGPT are obsessed with alkalinity as it relates to pH. They are probably both finding incorrect or misleading references and going with them.

 

[TraydersAnonymous]

Thank you but I'm not really looking for one, I have the A200 on the new build and it's absolutely great.

I just figured I'd play along to test the AI. That said, it did answer couple of other simple questions correctly.

thankyou

 

[TraydersAnonymous]

I understand it may be a work in progress, but this is a basic question that it is getting wrong.

I was looking more for the importance of alkalinity as a surrogate measure of bicarbonate or carbonate that corals need to make skeletons. I do not consider the pH stability to be the answer.

Q: why measure alkalinity in a coral reef aquarium?

A: Alkalinity is an important measure of water quality in a coral reef aquarium because it helps maintain a stable pH level, which is vital for coral health. Alkalinity also acts as a buffer against sudden changes in pH.

That is not the correct answer, in my opinion.

it is only when i seemingly already know the answer, does it get it right:

Q: How should I ensure that corals have adequate bicarbonate in a coral reef aquarium?

A: To ensure that corals have adequate bicarbonate in a coral reef aquarium, you should test the alkalinity level and adjust it as necessary. Additionally, you can add a bicarbonate buffer to the tank to maintain the desired level. Finally, you should maintain an adequate flow of water in the tank to ensure that the bicarbonate levels remain balanced.


Both it and ChatGPT are obsessed with alkalinity as it relates to pH. They are probably both finding incorrect or misleading references and going with them.

With your decorated history on this forum I would expect with your accumulated knowledge that the answers you would be looking for would be more complex. But when you ask say a person the average reefer or lfs worker why should I measure alkalinity in the reef tank, I'd get a similar basic answer, I think because they would answer based question given and their assumption of the knowledge level of the asker. ( if that makes sense ). But if I ask the AI "How should I ensure that corals have adequate bicarbonate in a coral reef aquarium?" it gives me a more complex answer, I think a LFS employee with the added knowledge would be able to give me a more Advanced answer based on the question I asked like the AI.

Thanks Again

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

With your decorated history on this forum I would expect with your accumulated knowledge that the answers you would be looking for would be more complex. But when you ask say a person the average reefer or lfs worker why should I measure alkalinity in the reef tank, I'd get a similar basic answer, I think because they would answer based question given and their assumption of the knowledge level of the asker. ( if that makes sense ). But if I ask the AI "How should I ensure that corals have adequate bicarbonate in a coral reef aquarium?" it gives me a more complex answer, I think a LFS employee with the added knowledge would be able to give me a more Advanced answer based on the question I asked like the AI.

Thanks Again

I'd stop talking advice from an LFS that said the reason to measure alkalinity in a reef tank is to stabilize pH, but I understand people may have different expectations.

 

[Gp!]

But when you ask say a person the average reefer or lfs worker why should I measure alkalinity in the reef tank, I'd get a similar basic answer

I think the problem with this stance is that a person who doesn't already know the material won't know if the question is basic or complicated. And since the AI can give wrong information you can't let someone without knowledge of the correct response rely on it.

The people you are targeting probably won't question the accuracy of the answer... perhaps there is a way to limit the questions to moderated topics as you build the model?

(unless the point for you is to learn about the ai you're working with and then it sounds like a fun toy! But probably needs to be prefaced that way)

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Interestingly, your AI is smarter than Brightwell about Brightwell's own products.

Q: does Brightwell Boost pH+ raise alkalinity in an aquarium?

A: Yes, Brightwell Boost pH+ can raise the alkalinity in an aquarium. It is designed to raise pH and alkalinity levels, helping to create a more balanced and healthy environment for your fish.
Cl

Which is an accurate response, despite the fact that Brightwell falsely claims otherwise:

"Boost pH+ High Range pH Increaser, raises pH only without increasing alkalinity or calcium (in tanks already having a proper dKH)"

Brightwell Aquatics - Boost pH+

 

[TraydersAnonymous]

I'd stop talking advice from an LFS that said the reason to measure alkalinity in a reef tank is to stabilize pH, but I understand people may have different expectations.

No doubt, luckily I don't have the issue. Remember the more specific you are with your question the more detailed answer you'll get. Cheers Randy thank you for your input, you've given me some ideas to improve the useability of the site.

 

[TraydersAnonymous]

I think the problem with this stance is that a person who doesn't already know the material won't know if the question is basic or complicated. And since the AI can give wrong information you can't let someone without knowledge of the correct response rely on it.

The people you are targeting probably won't question the accuracy of the answer... perhaps there is a way to limit the questions to moderated topics as you build the model?

(unless the point for you is to learn about the ai you're working with and then it sounds like a fun toy! But probably needs to be prefaced that way)

That's great advice, what I intend to do is list some sample questions or topics to help users develop their question or expectations. As well as the old "not financial advice" type statement. I think generally people scouring the net for information should always seek few sources of their finings. I don't think they need to be able to dictate weather the question is basic or complex. The question asked is a direct result of the persons knowledge. I will encourage people to ask more questions with regards to the answer given like a conversation. I realize now it isn't just a one and done scenario for many questions.

 

[Randy Holmes-Farley]

Interestingly, your AI is smarter than Brightwell about Brightwell's own products.

Q: does Brightwell Boost pH+ raise alkalinity in an aquarium?

A: Yes, Brightwell Boost pH+ can raise the alkalinity in an aquarium. It is designed to raise pH and alkalinity levels, helping to create a more balanced and healthy environment for your fish.
Cl

Which is an accurate response, despite the fact that Brightwell falsely claims otherwise:

"Boost pH+ High Range pH Increaser, raises pH only without increasing alkalinity or calcium (in tanks already having a proper dKH)"

Brightwell Aquatics - Boost pH+

Interestingly, ChatGPT gave a different, and wrong answer. lol

 

[MtnDewMan]

I've been reading this thread and I am getting the impression that the originator is justifying nearly every response and not getting the actual gist of the responses. The gist is that 1) it is not always accurate, 2) doesn't always give an answer to the question at hand, 3) doesn't answer it at all, and 4) when it does give a reasonable answer, it is without detailed information to substantiate it.

AI is only as good as who programs it, garbage in = garbage out. ChatGPT has been found to be extremely biased based on the material it uses to generate it's responses.

To me AI does not mean it's a good thing (because it sounds fancy).

Just my opinion of course.