Ok. I suggest an astrea or trochus snail for every gallon of tank. First, the big stuff will have to be manually removed and siphoned out, then the snails should take care of the rest.
They work great for me in sufficient quantities. I find people usually don't buy enough to make it work. People would rather try for a quick fix in a bottle.
I always have clean tanks and in 40 Years NEVER EVER had to rip my tank apart. To have a simple algae or cyano issue and tear a tank apart so you can go back through the ugly stage and subject tank once again to risk of cyano and dino make absolutely no sense. There is a reason we inherit these conditions and what troubles me is: seldom is the source of the issue which can be corrected discussed, rather it is suggested to tear a tank apart.when we do an oil change we do the filter too or just leave it? Way to be thorough. I bet your sports car doesn’t get any corners cut, we are just like that in rip clean threads.
@vetteguy53081 the reason we would rip clean it as stated is because there’s a link most people read to see the long term outcomes and those were good long term outcomes
nothing hinted as bad in a rip clean was found in the link work
you’re having him leave a sandbed full of waste plus take on the waste of copious waste pellets from guessing at invaders in addition which is terrible for growback and future tradeoff invasions
if you track your recommend out for other people’s tanks, over a year and you log those efforts, you see them getting tradeoff invasions since you told them to leave all the waste in the small nano and just add more to it. We rip clean because it’s time to evacuate his setup for the very first time.
your recommend vectors fish disease into his tank, mine doesn’t. Yours breaks biosecurity to add those wasteful animals as a guess. Tell him to fallow prep the clean up crew at least, don’t wreck people’s tanks with velvet if at all possible? Not doing work and follow up in dedicated threads gives this pass to make guessing recommends / not on the hook for outcomes with passby recommends.
(a separate fifty page rip clean thread)
that’s two rip clean threads here now, and not one alternate work thread showing work in others tanks.
I’m amazed when best means and practices stated don’t come with any work proof.
Official Sand Rinse and Tank Transfer thread
If you are reading this thread to cure a tank invasion from a link I sent you, we do not need to identify your type of invasion here we do not need you to test anything at anytime regarding nitrate, phosphate etc Above all, we do not need to see a microscope slide picture of your invasion at...www.reef2reef.com
as much as folks from the crowd hate rip cleans, for some invented reason, they can’t rectify that dislike against the scores of tanks we save with them. Since no alternate work threads are posted by detractors, I can’t understand why they’d redirect without any shown work in the matter.
everyone knows a topical application of peroxide kills the gha, we are planning to fix what feeds that gha as well.
@Spare time
I honestly would like to know if you're telling your LFS customers this info when you refer them to fluconazole
Do you tell them it can kill their reef in any way, or just the positive parts?
Rip cleaning has never killed anyone's tank, and it's free of cost/ not sold, how do you vet the information you give to customers?
I know you'll never recommend a rip clean, it's in your post history to not recommend it
Isn't that what gives lfs a bad name though, recommending the dangerous for sale items vs the known safe methods that are free?
My understanding of rip cleaning is not a one time fix . And will become a required part of regular maintenance to battle the ongoing ugly as it’s not resolving the actual route of the issue . But continuing to clean up the mess from the previous rip . If the original source of the issue isn’t confronted it will never go away and eventually always return .I always have clean tanks and in 40 Years NEVER EVER had to rip my tank apart. To have a simple algae or cyano issue and tear a tank apart so you can go back through the ugly stage and subject tank once again to risk of cyano and dino make absolutely no sense. There is a reason we inherit these conditions and what troubles me is: seldom is the source of the issue which can be corrected discussed, rather it is suggested to tear a tank apart.
Many of these persons have poured their sweat and tears into their tanks especially the larger tanks to be offered a suggestion to tear it apart and start over is troubling.
There are however instances where it is warranted and there are times Ive seen you suggest rip clean and it appeared may be the recourse. There are times Ive disagreed and Never chimed in and contested your recommendation as I respect everyones' opinion but its just not for everyone. Its often an alternative and not a solution and then there are times there is no alternative- it is the solution.
I also see mention of 50 page, 200 page threads mentioned- Is it your work or someone else's recommendations? It needs to be realized when a person makes a thread with an issue and it pertains to their 40g tank as an example, it will apply to a person with a 40, even 50g tank and impractical for a person with a 15g AIO or one like myself with a 400, even 660g tank.
Four years ago my 660g have a dino outbreak (my first and only) and the last thing I was ever going to consider is tearing tank apart. In turn, I fought it the right way and below shows the result.
Dino start:
One week later:
Two months later:
Definitely the right choice. The best thing about this method is that in just a few hours that really depressing feeling you get every time you look in the tank is gone and you have the tank you wish you had.
My question is how long until you have to redo the method to restore the tank you wish for ?
Nice looking tank .I always have clean tanks and in 40 Years NEVER EVER had to rip my tank apart. To have a simple algae or cyano issue and tear a tank apart so you can go back through the ugly stage and subject tank once again to risk of cyano and dino make absolutely no sense. There is a reason we inherit these conditions and what troubles me is: seldom is the source of the issue which can be corrected discussed, rather it is suggested to tear a tank apart.
Many of these persons have poured their sweat and tears into their tanks especially the larger tanks to be offered a suggestion to tear it apart and start over is troubling.
There are however instances where it is warranted and there are times Ive seen you suggest rip clean and it appeared may be the recourse. There are times Ive disagreed and Never chimed in and contested your recommendation as I respect everyones' opinion but its just not for everyone. Its often an alternative and not a solution and then there are times there is no alternative- it is the solution.
I also see mention of 50 page, 200 page threads mentioned- Is it your work or someone else's recommendations? It needs to be realized when a person makes a thread with an issue and it pertains to their 40g tank as an example, it will apply to a person with a 40, even 50g tank and impractical for a person with a 15g AIO or one like myself with a 400, even 660g tank.
Four years ago my 660g have a dino outbreak (my first and only) and the last thing I was ever going to consider is tearing tank apart. In turn, I fought it the right way and below shows the result.
Dino start:
One week later:
Two months later:
Yes. Cyano is similar utilizing blackout and adding bacteria to beat the bad bacteria as well as a couple simple steps.
If you pay attention to the water quality, like not let phosphates get too high, etc. and have a good cleanup crew, you should never have to do a rip clean again.
www.reef2reef.com
No possible way.
Have you read his build thread? Very interesting battles with Cyano and dinos.this is exactly like fishing. pretty fun
in work threads, fixers offer their method exactly like putting a bait down to see who takes it and applies the method, they await feedback, they take that info on best practices home to their reef...all pretty neat how online troubleshooting works.
120 gallon rip clean
I’ve decided to perform a rip clean on my 120 with 100% new water. The tank has been running for 5 years and was battling Dino for several months. I used the bacteria method from elegant corals and worked great I haven’t seen Dino in months now. But I tried several other methods including...
thought I would post what a 120 gallon rip clean with three years tracking afterwards looks like. rare gem here, about fifteen times the overall work required to fix Humu's nano and ironically, this reef above was pristine when he did the rip clean, nothing was wrong with it.
he did it to move the reef without recycling it. you are doing one here (hopefully) to rob your soon to be surgically clean rocks of food stores they currently access to feed algae. nutrients upwell from that sand and feed the algae, along with bright lights and some missing grazers. a shocking set of after pics is possible here
