Ill take two!
Don't lie to yourself. You couldn't handle two.
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Ill take two!
Don't lie to yourself. You couldn't handle two.
your probably right. Those flower pots never stay alive. Thanks g
"I'm not using this forum as a platform to bash "competitors", or beat my own chest. I'm using it as a sounding board to alert you to something that is harmful to the hobby. I'm not the self-appointed guardian of coral industry morality. I'm just a hobbyist, a consumer like you, who has been burned- and continues to see fellow reefers burned- by absurdly unethical practices, and I'll call 'em like I see 'em."
This is exactly what you are doing. I am going to tell you that while there are some small good points to your thread the overall substance is moronic. You frequently pontificate in these posts as if you are some great expert in corals and have seen tremendous volumes of the highest to the lowest quality corals but I suspect you haven't. I can tell by what and how you write.
First you rant about coral prices. This is supply and demand. You live in a country that supports a free market. Take that scoly that Mike sold recently. That is not a common piece and it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If you can produce a similar piece today you have an argument but you cant.The fact is that how often do you hear people post and say the corals look nothing like in the picture??????????? I'm sure it happens but it is not frequent. I prefer you man up and actually name the mystery companies you are disparaging so this can be a real conversation not just some cowardly warning of this insidious pervasive practice. Really bro name calling? You must be a real tough guy typing behind that keyboard. People who are not happy can send the coral back, post the complaint on this site, stop credit card payment if refund is not issued after return. You have no idea what conversation occurs between sellers and clients after the picture before the sale. Concerning the purple or blue color of substrate, lots of people run LEDs or actinics with purple. If you want to know the lighting ask. I personally run radions. I want to see what the coral will look like under my lighting setup. I know for a fact you dont hold all your corals back but I thought you-
"developing systems and techniques for keeping corals healthy and beautiful, they choose to “turn and burn”
Give me a break. I know where and which corals you get in on occasion. You do not hold all your coral for any significant amount of time before selling.
"We are frequently told by hobbyists that they can’t believe how nice our corals look in person- better even, than on our website, when they pay a visit to our facility."
I hear people say that about the vendors you are attacking on here all the time. If you dont like something tell the seller. If it is not resolved to your satisfaction dont buy again. Hey Scott, have you noticed that most of these buyers that you are basically insinuating are obtuse are repeat buyers? That must really drive you nuts. You seem like a very unsatisfied and angry individual.
You know the best photographer in the world. Sure you do. How do you rate that? Sounds like hype to me. Hype isnt hype if it is true. If someone continually deceived people how would they stay in business? Why dont you worry about yourself and stop insulting others without specific examples.
"I'm not using this forum as a platform to bash "competitors", or beat my own chest. I'm using it as a sounding board to alert you to something that is harmful to the hobby. I'm not the self-appointed guardian of coral industry morality. I'm just a hobbyist, a consumer like you, who has been burned- and continues to see fellow reefers burned- by absurdly unethical practices, and I'll call 'em like I see 'em."
This is exactly what you are doing. I am going to tell you that while there are some small good points to your thread the overall substance is moronic. You frequently pontificate in these posts as if you are some great expert in corals and have seen tremendous volumes of the highest to the lowest quality corals but I suspect you haven't. I can tell by what and how you write.
First you rant about coral prices. This is supply and demand. You live in a country that supports a free market. Take that scoly that Mike sold recently. That is not a common piece and it is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it. If you can produce a similar piece today you have an argument but you cant.The fact is that how often do you hear people post and say the corals look nothing like in the picture??????????? I'm sure it happens but it is not frequent. I prefer you man up and actually name the mystery companies you are disparaging so this can be a real conversation not just some cowardly warning of this insidious pervasive practice. Really bro name calling? You must be a real tough guy typing behind that keyboard. People who are not happy can send the coral back, post the complaint on this site, stop credit card payment if refund is not issued after return. You have no idea what conversation occurs between sellers and clients after the picture before the sale. Concerning the purple or blue color of substrate, lots of people run LEDs or actinics with purple. If you want to know the lighting ask. I personally run radions. I want to see what the coral will look like under my lighting setup. I know for a fact you dont hold all your corals back but I thought you-
"developing systems and techniques for keeping corals healthy and beautiful, they choose to “turn and burnâ€
Give me a break. I know where and which corals you get in on occasion. You do not hold all your coral for any significant amount of time before selling.
"We are frequently told by hobbyists that they can’t believe how nice our corals look in person- better even, than on our website, when they pay a visit to our facility."
I hear people say that about the vendors you are attacking on here all the time. If you dont like something tell the seller. If it is not resolved to your satisfaction dont buy again. Hey Scott, have you noticed that most of these buyers that you are basically insinuating are obtuse are repeat buyers? That must really drive you nuts. You seem like a very unsatisfied and angry individual.
You know the best photographer in the world. Sure you do. How do you rate that? Sounds like hype to me. Hype isnt hype if it is true. If someone continually deceived people how would they stay in business? Why dont you worry about yourself and stop insulting others without specific examples.
Photoshop is useful. Shooting under certain lights is hard to give the color its showing. So I photoshop all my photos to my best to try and match how they look in the tank. This is something that MUST be done to get a true pic especially under LED because the camera sensor has some issues with LED because of the very narrow color being emitted unlike MH/T5. WB isnt the best when it comes to these colors we run our tanks at. So photoshop in general is NOT a bad thing. Its a tool to help mimic what the coral looks like to our eyes in the tank to compensate on how the sensor and metering and WB of the camera captured the image. The same can be said though for someone taking photos of their corals under SUPER blue lights and it glows like no tomorrow but if someone throws it in a tank at like a 14k temp it doesnt look anywhere near as nice. So what the person saw in the photo was a true representation of the coral just under very blue lights so the same can be said for that aspect as well. So you cant blanket and say photoshop is BAD.
This photo of mine is photoshopped but its for to show a representation of my coral in my tank.
It's unfortunate that Photoshop is used to abuse consumers. As has been pointed out in the post above, lighting conditions do cause difference in the way a coral looks from one tank to another, but shame on sellers (commercial or hobbyists) that use photo editing to make their coral look like it never could in any tank under any light (great point, Scott!). Also, the above post is definitely spot-on that some photo editing is almost always necessary to get the picture to look like what the naked eye sees.
On the flip side, I'm so tired of seeing people ask for pictures of corals under lighting that they would never think about keeping the coral in (6500k pics come to mind). Any coral looks brown under some lights. As a buyer, I wanna see what it will look like in my tank...plain and simple.
Not in for frags this time, just give me price on both colonies!
+1 I'll bet that stars and strips coloney is expensive.
HahahahaNot in for frags this time, just give me price on both colonies!
yea especially with july 4th around the corner.