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Nope you don't know me. Some topics are sensitive to people on different levels. Regardless of what you feel, or what you think, you should at least know the law. I will stand firm on my contention that copyright is owned on creation of the image, and reposting an image that you did not create is a breach of etiquette at the least, illegal at the worst.
As I mentioned before, I don't think Jr or Surfn will care, but that doesn't mean that what was done is any less inappropriate. Sorry Abe, I know you had the best intentions, this is obvious from your title. However, I think if Jr or Surfn wanted their work to appear anywhere else, they could post it there themselves.
As an option, to share photo information, you could post a link to the threads like these:
Shutter Speed
Aperture
ISO
But since I am the type of person that is only out for themselves, I must not have written those or taken those images.
Also, since I am not the type of person to help out, I must not have taught several classes on how to take better reef tank pictures, as a matter of fact Jr. attended one of those classes himself! (He certainly didn't need to though.
)Regardless of what you think, the law is the law, and that is that.
Don't worry, I will.
I am reading the whole thing right now, over 300 pages. It will take me a minute or 2. :hammer:
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This will be very interesting to see the outcome of this one. I often have wondered it myself. I have seen many of my personal pictures used by others on there website and it really ticks me off that they are taking credit for a nice coral becuase they are using my photo. Oddly enough, they are posts from forums like these!!!!!!
Paintguru
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Actually, I believe you do need to register your photos in order to have any recourse in copyright law. There have been a few good posts on Scott Kelby's blog (www.scottkelby.com) regarding this with interviews with some copyright lawyers and answers to a bunch of standard photography copyright question. The first point made in the one interview that I saw was that laws vary from state to state. However, I believe it is correct that in order to get any sort of financial restitution if someone uses your images, that you need to register your photos with the copyright office (which is quite easy it appears). It was said that it doesn't hurt to put your name watermark on the image, but it really doesn't mean anything (if I recall correctly). I'd check it out, just look through the recent blog posts as these were all done within the last couple weeks.
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Nope you don't know me. Some topics are sensitive to people on different levels. Regardless of what you feel, or what you think, you should at least know the law. I will stand firm on my contention that copyright is owned on creation of the image, and reposting an image that you did not create is a breach of etiquette at the least, illegal at the worst.
As I mentioned before, I don't think Jr or Surfn will care, but that doesn't mean that what was done is any less inappropriate. Sorry Abe, I know you had the best intentions, this is obvious from your title. However, I think if Jr or Surfn wanted their work to appear anywhere else, they could post it there themselves.
As an option, to share photo information, you could post a link to the threads like these:
Shutter Speed
Aperture
ISO
But since I am the type of person that is only out for themselves, I must not have written those or taken those images.
Also, since I am not the type of person to help out, I must not have taught several classes on how to take better reef tank pictures, as a matter of fact Jr. attended one of those classes himself! (He certainly didn't need to though.
Regardless of what you think, the law is the law, and that is that.
heeh well I havent been on the site long and thus my reason for stating I really dont know you yet. Obviously you proved me wrong about yourself
.as for claiming something as your own I know what you guys mean. Someone I know had someone else steal his home theatre pics claiming them as his.
http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=25812556&page=6 pics and the guy getting called out on the last 2 posts. You can see the origional page links at the last post as well.
Yup, that is why I put the bold and italics on that "perhaps" as well. I could have left that part out all together. -devil
"perhaps" is a rather flimsy defense though if someone really wanted to press the issue. I know if I were being taken to court over use of an image, I would rather not depend on "perhaps" to prove that I was right OR wrong. I know that copyright is hugely confusing, and reading all 324 pages of that actual law is proving difficult at best, it is written in a foreign language pretending to be ENGLISH as far as I am concerned.
Now, with all this being said, I hope no one has taken any of this personally, especially Abe! No ill will is intended on my part, that is for sure!
"perhaps" is a rather flimsy defense though if someone really wanted to press the issue. I know if I were being taken to court over use of an image, I would rather not depend on "perhaps" to prove that I was right OR wrong. I know that copyright is hugely confusing, and reading all 324 pages of that actual law is proving difficult at best, it is written in a foreign language pretending to be ENGLISH as far as I am concerned.
Now, with all this being said, I hope no one has taken any of this personally, especially Abe! No ill will is intended on my part, that is for sure!
surfn
I bleed orange and maroon
as far as text that is typed out on a forum, i would have to agree with that. although, technically anything posted on R2R is property of Rev, and not the posters. so if he doesn't care that text is copied/pasted to another forum, i don't really care either.
pictures are a bit more of a touchy subject. i don't think its appropriate to copy and paste pics to another site, even if credit is given...... permission should be obtained in order to use someone else's photos. but since this is the internet, poster beware IMO.......if you don't want your pics to be pirated, then don't post them.
As an option, to share photo information, you could post a link to the threads like these:
Shutter Speed
Aperture
ISO
But since I am the type of person that is only out for themselves, I must not have written those or taken those images.
Also, since I am not the type of person to help out, I must not have taught several classes on how to take better reef tank pictures, as a matter of fact Jr. attended one of those classes himself! (He certainly didn't need to though.
Regardless of what you think, the law is the law, and that is that.
posting links to R2R on other forums would probably be the most appropriate, from my point of view.....and from Rev's site ownership point of view, since he owns all material posted on this forum.
i don't really care about the information i typed out being carried over, as i don't look to make money off my pictures, or my advice like Poseidon is trying to do.
it was nice that the original poster went out of his way to give credit to us and R2R, so at least they tried. not everyone is down with all the kosher posting rules in regards to photography information.
my only beef is why did the original poster have to put it on nano-reef?? i mean....can't you find a better site to hang out on? i'm pretty sure that site has the most members on the entire internet that are over 30 but have the maturity of a 13yr old......lol :hammer:
saltwaternewb
Team Nikon
I am a member (same name) over there and yeah, if you want to see a bunch of immature kids acting like idiots, visit the lounge area. But honestly in the rest of the forum, the serious sections, the guys over there are extremely helpful. This place the nano-reef are the only two places I visit on a regular basis as far as SW stuff goes.
Nope im all smiles, a lil fight every now and then does us good
Good deal!
Okay, I FOUND IT!!!!!
Here is a .pdf from www.copyright.gov read the second page, under "who can claim copyright".
Here is the whole link:
http://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ1.pdf
So, copyright protection is mine from the time I press the shutter. Now, once I choose to post it to the internet, "perhaps" someone can repost it without my permission, BUT I still retain rights to the image. At that point, if I choose to register the image, then I can seek monetary damages from the person that reposted it without my permission. So... PERHAPS I may be eligible to get some damages, perhaps not. :hammer:
In my experience, a friendly phone call, or an e-mail, is usually adequate for the violator to remove your image. HOWEVER there are cases where people can be ar$$'s, (imagine that) at that point you can contact the site HOST and explain to them the infraction, and THEY can then remove the image, if they choose not to, and you can PROVE that you own the image, and the site host refused to remove your property, then the HOST opens the door for a lawsuit against THEM!
Now, does this happen often? Yup. But in 99% of all cases, it is a non issue. For the 1% that it matters to, it matters a LOT! I guess I fall into that 1% category.
Clear as mud right?
Alas I return.
I'm gone for 5 minutes and you guys start WWIII:hammer:
Mike (Poseidon) is simply looking out for himself, and all other photographers. You all must understand what a competitive market photography is, and realistically how easy it is steal someones work.
Regardless of the law says, a law is only as strong as those who uphold it.
That being said, thats exactly why i no longer post pictures that are larger 500 x 700 pixels.
If someone wants to steal a 5 x 7 go for it. When someone shows actual interest in a high res image, and they can not produce it, that pretty much clears the air of truth.
As far as copying a thread, I show no concern. However, if the info is copy and pasted, and posted as a new thread, that would change my position on that.
I feel in this instance that as long as the information was provided via a link BACK TO Reef 2 Reef that is fine. Credit should be given back to R2R for having that info available.
In the last 3 weeks i have been contacted by a science magazine, reef keeping magazine, a Turkish online magazine, and individuals wanting to use my photos in some way. Given that an actual publication feels it is necessary to have permission granted (and would assume that a company that relies on a legal TEAM to keep them from getting sued, would know what the laws are) I think its safe to say that images belong to the creator of those images.
Again, in the dawn on the net, these situations come up constantly, and are very hard to uphold (if for no other reason the sure volume of info on the net).
All that being said, my opinion (and this doesn't mean its the law or otherwise) if info is given via a DIRECT LINK back to the original info, theres no need for permission. Outside of that situation, expressed permission should be requested, if for no other reason than mutual respect of someone elses work.
Amen.
I'm gone for 5 minutes and you guys start WWIII:hammer:
Mike (Poseidon) is simply looking out for himself, and all other photographers. You all must understand what a competitive market photography is, and realistically how easy it is steal someones work.
Regardless of the law says, a law is only as strong as those who uphold it.
That being said, thats exactly why i no longer post pictures that are larger 500 x 700 pixels.
If someone wants to steal a 5 x 7 go for it. When someone shows actual interest in a high res image, and they can not produce it, that pretty much clears the air of truth.
As far as copying a thread, I show no concern. However, if the info is copy and pasted, and posted as a new thread, that would change my position on that.
I feel in this instance that as long as the information was provided via a link BACK TO Reef 2 Reef that is fine. Credit should be given back to R2R for having that info available.
In the last 3 weeks i have been contacted by a science magazine, reef keeping magazine, a Turkish online magazine, and individuals wanting to use my photos in some way. Given that an actual publication feels it is necessary to have permission granted (and would assume that a company that relies on a legal TEAM to keep them from getting sued, would know what the laws are) I think its safe to say that images belong to the creator of those images.
Again, in the dawn on the net, these situations come up constantly, and are very hard to uphold (if for no other reason the sure volume of info on the net).
All that being said, my opinion (and this doesn't mean its the law or otherwise) if info is given via a DIRECT LINK back to the original info, theres no need for permission. Outside of that situation, expressed permission should be requested, if for no other reason than mutual respect of someone elses work.
Amen.
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