Coming Soon! Hydros SOLE continuous duty 300ml/min smart doser

[Jmp998]

The whole ecosystem makes no sense to me. You are spending a lot of money on stand alone controllers that chain together, but don’t need to be stand alone controllers and therefore could cost a fraction of what they do. I may be in the minority, best it feels very poorly thought out, almost random as to how the ecosystem has progressed.

I'm not an electronics guy, but I agree it seems like some unnecessary redundancy maybe. However it also allows for maximum flexibility. If for some reason I have a special need-e.g. a separately located RODI system, frag tank, whatever-I can pull any component from the ecosystem and use that stand alone if needed. Same when a newer, better controller comes out and I want to sell off my old components one by one, they can all act independently or as a collective as needed. And maybe from a systems design perspective it is just easier (and cheaper due to bulk purchasing and manufacturing) to use the same core electronics in every device, and as long as you have the chips there and have already worked out the programming you might as well let it function to its full capabilities. Otherwise you will have someone tear down one of the 'non-controller' units, see that it has all the same chips in it as the controller, and then complain "Hydros is intentionally disabling control functions in their satellite modules, they could be controllers themselves, they are just doing this to force you to buy more controllers, evil corporate greed crippling their devices just so you have to buy more...."

I will say I used Apex for many years and it worked fine, no problems really, but I recently switched to Hydros and it was a shorter learning curve for this non-techy. Plus it is prettier FWIW.

 

[n2585722]

Really? In 18 years of owning Ecotech products I've not once had a failure. They replaced a wetside for me that I broke. Didn't even question it. My current pumps are 5+ years old and don't make a whisper of a noise. Blanket statements don't really work.



The amazon link earlier is VERY similar to the one they are using. They likely just changed the hose orientation. Their X10 uses Kaomer F4 pumps. Literally the exact ones. About the only thing they manufacture specifically for the Hydros is the sensors. Like their triple optical sensor and their slim temp probe. But their Salinity, PH and ORP probes are all off the shelf solutions as well. Not even rebranded.

I have had to change the wet side twice and the dry side once on each of the 2 MP10's I have. The next major failure I am switching them out.

Also I don't think any of the sensors are made by CoralVue. They do make the controllers though. It would cost a lot more to put money into engineering and production that it cost to get them for a company that is already making them.

 

[braaap]

I have had to change the wet side twice and the dry side once on each of the 2 MP10's I have. The next major failure I am switching them out.

Also I don't think any of the sensors are made by CoralVue. They do make the controllers though. It would cost a lot more to put money into engineering and production that it cost to get them for a company that is already making them.

Well I think they had them specifically made. Not saying they make them in house. Just that there isn’t anything on the market like many of their sensors. Atleast that I can find.

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

All the Hydros dosing pumps are Kamoer. The tubing size on this pump is larger than any of the ones I have. It looks close to 3/8" ID. I think it is also a 24v pump.

24v? Then they're meeting the standard of all the other popular stepper driven peri pumps.

3/8" ID is definitely bigger than most, but the rule of thumb when considering tube diameter is that the larger the diameter, the faster they lose resiliency and the more often they need to be replaced.

Speculating that the roller contact is short, I'd imagine that means more pinching to achieve those higher flows.

It will be interesting to learn the tube life expectancy.

 

[Kfactor]

i thought the hydros line was to be priced good ? seems like the more ppl are buying it the price is going higher and higher lol .

 

[David_CO]

I believe this spare kamoer I have has the same stepper as the hydros with a different head. Its got 3 rollers, 4.8mm ID X 8.0 mm OD, tubing is PharMed which IMO is better than most options.

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

I believe this spare kamoer I have has the same stepper as the hydros with a different head. Its got 3 rollers, 4.8mm ID X 8.0 mm OD, tubing is PharMed which IMO is better than most options.

It's quite possible they share the same stepper, but the rest, I would imagine, would be different.

If the tube is 3/8 ID then even the roller assembly would be different.

Best bet is to look at one of the Chinese websites and you'd find it.

If I'm guessing it follows closer to this style.





With the tube passing through and making contact with a short datum.

Sounds like @n2585722 beta tested it, perhaps he can share aome insight.

 

[David_CO]

It's quite possible they share the same stepper, but the rest, I would imagine, would be different.

If the tube is 3/8 ID then even the roller assembly would be different.

Best bet is to look at one of the Chinese websites and you'd find it.

If I'm guessing it follows closer to this style.





With the tube passing through and making contact with a short datum.

Sounds like @n2585722 beta tested it, perhaps he can share aome insight.

agreed head and rollers likely totally different.....this might be the exact one

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[n2585722]

It's quite possible they share the same stepper, but the rest, I would imagine, would be different.

If the tube is 3/8 ID then even the roller assembly would be different.

Best bet is to look at one of the Chinese websites and you'd find it.

If I'm guessing it follows closer to this style.





With the tube passing through and making contact with a short datum.

Sounds like @n2585722 beta tested it, perhaps he can share aome insight.

I think it looks more like the one @David_CO posted a photo of. There are photos of it on the CoralVue website. Here is a link https://www.coralvue.com/hydros-sole .

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

I think it looks more like the one @David_CO posted a photo of. There are photos of it on the CoralVue website. Here is a link https://www.coralvue.com/hydros-sole .

I was referring more about the tube orientation. The one Dave posted is more traditional U channel for the tube, vs the one I shared.

Looks like he found the right one off the Chinese website.

 

[Sisterlimonpot]

CoralVue website. Here is a link https://www.coralvue.com/hydros-sole .

Looks like they have it written up with 3mm ID and 5mm OD.

 

[BiggestE22]

The whole ecosystem makes no sense to me. You are spending a lot of money on stand alone controllers that chain together, but don’t need to be stand alone controllers and therefore could cost a fraction of what they do. I may be in the minority, best it feels very poorly thought out, almost random as to how the ecosystem has progressed.

How many “brains” do they sale.

 

[braaap]

How many “brains” do they sale.

Every single one of their "controls" is a brain. The stand alones like their rebranded Kamoer wifi doser and the feeder are not brains. But anything with a command bus port is.

 

[braaap]

agreed head and rollers likely totally different.....this might be the exact one

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Nailed it. I knew I had seen that style of head with tubing orientation before. I was scouring American sites lol. Should have just gone to alibaba or aliexpress.

So $40 for the pump. They are charging another $259 for the electronics. No sense or drive ports. Even though it is a standalone brain it is a useless brain IMO. YIKES.

 

[Mattiejay6]

Well regardless of the people in this forum that don’t own, or use hydros commenting on the rebranding, blah blah blah or it doesn’t make sense to them.. this is just “their opinions” and they have never used or or had hands on with it..

I am for one excited for this release and to Incorporate Into my system. I plan to use it for Kalk

 

[rtparty]

Well regardless of the people in this forum that don’t own, or use hydros commenting on the rebranding, blah blah blah or it doesn’t make sense to them.. this is just “their opinions” and they have never used or or had hands on with it..

I am for one excited for this release and to Incorporate Into my system. I plan to use it for Kalk

Welcome to the internet? 99% of this forum and hobby are “their opinions”

One doesn’t have to own or use a product to comment on it especially when speculating which exact motor and head are being used

 

[n2585722]

Every single one of their "controls" is a brain. The stand alones like their rebranded Kamoer wifi doser and the feeder are not brains. But anything with a command bus port is.

The do not have a wifi doser. They have a simple doser that is made by Kamoer and looks like the Kamoer wifi doser but the Hydros doser does not have any wifi logic in it. It runs when powered by 12v DC. It comes with a DC cable for connecting it to a drive port which is just a 12v DC output and there is no logic in the connection. Even the other brands modules have brains. They are called microprocessors so even those modules have microprocessors in the them.Hydros just decided to make their where each module can be used by itself or combined with others. This way there is no expense for the main brain to control all the individual modules. I doubt the price is much different when you total it all up.

 

[Mattiejay6]

Welcome to the internet? 99% of this forum and hobby are “their opinions”

One doesn’t have to own or use a product to comment on it especially when speculating which exact motor and head are being used

Well like I said I’m thankful they are launching this product …

 

[rtparty]

Well like I said I’m thankful they are launching this product …

For sure.

For those in the Hydros ecosystem or even someone looking for a more heavy duty, continuous doser, this may be just what they need. Right tool, right job

 

[braaap]

The do not have a wifi doser. They have a simple doser that is made by Kamoer and looks like the Kamoer wifi doser but the Hydros doser does not have any wifi logic in it. It runs when powered by 12v DC. It comes with a DC cable for connecting it to a drive port which is just a 12v DC output and there is no logic in the connection. Even the other brands modules have brains. They are called microprocessors so even those modules have microprocessors in the them.Hydros just decided to make their where each module can be used by itself or combined with others. This way there is no expense for the main brain to control all the individual modules. I doubt the price is much different when you total it all up.

Semantics. Sorry their rebranded Kamoer doser that has to be hooked to a drive port instead of a standard outlet. Its the exact same as the Kamoer F1. They just rebranded and turned the wifi/bluetooth off and flipped the pump head the opposite direction.