Coming Soon! Hydros SOLE continuous duty 300ml/min smart doser

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Coming soon (out in Sept 2024) is the new Hydros SOLE single head, continuous duty dosing pump.
- 0.1ml/min to 300ml/min configurable for either continuous mode or scheduled dosing
- super quiet operation even at full speed
- has Hydros brain, can control upto 8 hydros wifi devices. can be run stand alone or in a collective. also becomes a "power giver" in collective situations
- 1/4" rodi hose push connects
- $299
 

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Video said it has the head pressure to pump a level / story. This could be a great option for a AWC system from below the tank in the basement. I haven't seen too many reasonable priced pumps with the ability to pump from the basement. I'm looking at Stenner peristaltic pumps and from what I can tell they are very loud. The Litermeter can do it but having this integrated to the Hydros app is a big plus.

I'm excited for this. Nice job Hydros.
 

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I use the same kamoer stepper for my auto frozen food feeder. The thing is a monster at full speed. I’m slightly disappointed with the pricing considering I can get the stepper for 40 each without volume discounting.
This is still a controller that just has the one output the dosing pump. So it still has the controller circuit to communicate via the command bus.
 

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300 dollars for a single head is a little expensive, in my opinion. It would be nicer if they had two heads. Alternatively, instead of a standalone controller, they could have made this a drive-port accessory like their first dosing pump.
 

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I use the same kamoer stepper for my auto frozen food feeder. The thing is a monster at full speed. I’m slightly disappointed with the pricing considering I can get the stepper for 40 each without volume discounting.
Yeah I love Hydros but unfortunately this product totally misses the mark on price vs features for me. I’d just DIY something instead in this case. I already have many devices in my collective, I don’t need another “it’s a controller!”. Why am I paying 5x markup on a rebranded doser head?

And my iV has been super inaccurate despite support’s help, my Launch has a non-functioning 0-10v port out of the box due to firmware bug, so I’m not feeling the love right now. I expect better at these prices.
 

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300 dollars for a single head is a little expensive, in my opinion. It would be nicer if they had two heads. Alternatively, instead of a standalone controller, they could have made this a drive-port accessory like their first dosing pump.
This is a stepper motor type dosing pump and also requires a controller to control the power going the coils in the stepper motor. So you cannot connect this motor to a drive port directly. It does not use a brush type DC motor.
 

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This is a stepper motor type dosing pump and also requires a controller to control the power going the coils in the stepper motor. So you cannot connect this motor to a drive port directly. It does not use a brush type DC motor.
They could probably have the stepper motor controller be built in to the doser, and have the driver input for the controller be a variable DC input. This is assuming that a stepper controller works the same way as a BLDC controller. Alternatively, they could have two continuous dosers on one controller.
 

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The whole ecosystem makes no sense to me. You are spending a lot of money on stand alone controllers that chain together, but don’t need to be stand alone controllers and therefore could cost a fraction of what they do. I may be in the minority, best it feels very poorly thought out, almost random as to how the ecosystem has progressed.
 

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The whole ecosystem makes no sense to me. You are spending a lot of money on stand alone controllers that chain together, but don’t need to be stand alone controllers and therefore could cost a fraction of what they do. I may be in the minority, best it feels very poorly thought out, almost random as to how the ecosystem has progressed.
I’m of the same opinion. I get the idea of brain redundancy for a couple major main “controller” but jamming it into every peripheral makes no sense to me.

The users who buy a pump like this will already have a controller of some sort due to its specialized use case.
 

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The whole ecosystem makes no sense to me. You are spending a lot of money on stand alone controllers that chain together, but don’t need to be stand alone controllers and therefore could cost a fraction of what they do. I may be in the minority, best it feels very poorly thought out, almost random as to how the ecosystem has progressed.
You might be right to some degree but even the modules had a microcontroller in them that communicated with the main controller and controlled things in the module. With the Hydros they use a microcontroller that has enough memory and computing power to be self reliant if needed but also has the ability to communicate using a CAN communication system with other controllers or modules if you want to use that term. They basically share their data with the other controllers in the collective with them along with the cloud. Each controller communicates with the cloud independently even when in a collective. If something were to happen to one of the controllers then you would loose andy inputs or outputs on that controller but the remaining controllers would do their best to continue. The only issue is you would loose the outputs on the controller that has an issue and also if there is an output on another controller using an input on the lost controller the output would go into the set fallback mode. So you don't loose the complete collective like you would if there were an issue with the main brain or controller. Also the IP65 cases and the GX12 connectors probably add quite a bit to the cost of each controller compared to one that does not have the IP65 rated cases. A XS controller cost 159.99 so that would be the cost plus the cost of a command bus cable to add another 4 sense ports to a collective. I believe the X2 is the same price. If you need a pH or ORP port that would add more to the cost since the X3 is 199.99 but it does have 2 sense ports with the pH or ORP port.
 

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The whole ecosystem makes no sense to me. You are spending a lot of money on stand alone controllers that chain together, but don’t need to be stand alone controllers and therefore could cost a fraction of what they do. I may be in the minority, best it feels very poorly thought out, almost random as to how the ecosystem has progressed.

It makes complete sense. CAN is a great fit for something that needs redundancy and expandability and operates within a single managed system. The chips that power CAN are cheap per device. I would be surprised if their cost for the entire “controller” electronics for each device is over $20 per unit. CAN is very mature and is used in everything from automobiles to pinball machines.

You would be hard pressed to find any competent systems designer to agree with you.
 

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Also the IP65 cases and the GX12 connectors probably add quite a bit to the cost of each controller compared to one that does not have the IP65 rated cases.
They don’t. Panel mount GX12 connectors like they use are under a dime a piece in large quantities.
 

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It makes complete sense. CAN is a great fit for something that needs redundancy and expandability and operates within a single managed system. The chips that power CAN are cheap per device. I would be surprised if their cost for the entire “controller” electronics for each device is over $20 per unit. CAN is very mature and is used in everything from automobiles to pinball machines.

You would be hard pressed to find any competent systems designer to agree with you.
Respectfully, I have been an analog and digital electronics hobbyist for over 30 years. I design my own circuits, route my own boards and write my own firmware and software.

Not that it matters, but I designed and built a modular controller system almost 2 decades ago.

I am well aware of the architecture, as well component cost.

That said, I will repeat myself. The ecosystem makes little sense to me.
 

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Never mind… not getting into the weeds here.
 

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Yeah I love Hydros but unfortunately this product totally misses the mark on price vs features for me. I’d just DIY something instead in this case. I already have many devices in my collective, I don’t need another “it’s a controller!”. Why am I paying 5x markup on a rebranded doser head?

And my iV has been super inaccurate despite support’s help, my Launch has a non-functioning 0-10v port out of the box due to firmware bug, so I’m not feeling the love right now. I expect better at these prices.
I’ve had the same problem with my x10 and iV combo. It’s essentially an expensive paperweight at this point because I disconnected it for very unreliable results.
 

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I’ve had the same problem with my x10 and iV combo. It’s essentially an expensive paperweight at this point because I disconnected it for very unreliable results.
I have not had an issue with mine other than the bubbles in the reagent line and I pulled it off and flushed it out good with water using a syringe. Then reinstalled them and so far no issues.
 

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