Clarisea Mod For Apex Control With Optical Sensor

[stacksoner]

So I got tired of the Clarisea controller beeping and being annoying so I decided to cut it off and directly wire it into the power adapter it came with. Lo and behold, the roller turns on when plugged in which makes it a great fit for the Apex!

My current program turns on the fleece roller for 4 seconds every 25 minutes:

Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/000:04/025:00 Then ON

I was interested in adding in an optical sensor here to turn on for 4 seconds if the sensor is closed and wait 15 mins between times that its allowed to turn on again. Does this code look kosher to ya'll?

Fallback OFF
Set OFF
OSC 000:00/000:04/025:00 Then ON
If OS1 CLOSED Then ON
If OS1 OPEN Then OFF
Defer 000:04 Then OFF
Min Time 015:00 Then OFF

 

[SuncrestReef]

There are two problems with your code:

1. If the OS1 sensor is closed and that turns on the Clarisea, there's no guarantee it will only run for 4 seconds. The motor will run for however long it takes until OS1 is open, then it will run for the additional 4 seconds from the Defer timer.

2. When the OSC tries to turn it on for 4 seconds every 25 minutes, if the OS1 sensor is open, that will override the OSC command, so it won't run at all.

To achieve what you're proposing, it's going to require a couple of virtual outputs. One will monitor the OS1 status, and the other will act as a 4 second timer:

[OS1_Control] -- virtual output
Set OFF
If OS1 CLOSED Then ON
If Output OS1_Limit = ON Then OFF
Min Time 015:00 Then OFF

[OS1_Limit] -- virtual output
Set OFF
If OS1 CLOSED Then ON
Defer 000:04 Then ON

[Clarisea]
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/000:04/025:00 Then ON
If Output OS1_Control = ON Then ON
Min Time 015:00 Then OFF

With this code, OSC will continue to turn on for 4 seconds every 25 minutes. At any time during that cycle, if OS1 is closed, it will turn on for 4 seconds, but at most every 15 minutes.

If you're not familiar with virtual outputs, see my tutorial here:

Neptune Apex Programming Tutorials, Part 5: Virtual Outputs

Part 5 of our Apex Programming Tutorials. This one is on Virtual Outputs.

www.reef2reef.com

 

[stacksoner]

There are two problems with your code:

1. If the OS1 sensor is closed and that turns on the Clarisea, there's no guarantee it will only run for 4 seconds. The motor will run for however long it takes until OS1 is open, then it will run for the additional 4 seconds from the Defer timer.

2. When the OSC tries to turn it on for 4 seconds every 25 minutes, if the OS1 sensor is open, that will override the OSC command, so it won't run at all.

To achieve what you're proposing, it's going to require a couple of virtual outputs. One will monitor the OS1 status, and the other will act as a 4 second timer:

[OS1_Control] -- virtual output
Set OFF
If OS1 CLOSED Then ON
If Output OS1_Limit = ON Then OFF
Min Time 015:00 Then OFF

[OS1_Limit] -- virtual output
Set OFF
If OS1 CLOSED Then ON
Defer 000:04 Then ON

[Clarisea]
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/000:04/025:00 Then ON
If Output OS1_Control = ON Then ON
Min Time 015:00 Then OFF

With this code, OSC will continue to turn on for 4 seconds every 25 minutes. At any time during that cycle, if OS1 is closed, it will turn on for 4 seconds, but at most every 15 minutes.

If you're not familiar with virtual outputs, see my tutorial here:

Neptune Apex Programming Tutorials, Part 5: Virtual Outputs

Part 5 of our Apex Programming Tutorials. This one is on Virtual Outputs.

www.reef2reef.com

Thank you so much for the thoughtful and well articulated reply. I really appreciate your input here!!

 

[infinite0180]

I want to do this exact same thing with my klir filter. I think it will be way more efficient this way. It prevents the fleece from getting too heavy and stretching!

 

[infinite0180]

There are two problems with your code:

1. If the OS1 sensor is closed and that turns on the Clarisea, there's no guarantee it will only run for 4 seconds. The motor will run for however long it takes until OS1 is open, then it will run for the additional 4 seconds from the Defer timer.

2. When the OSC tries to turn it on for 4 seconds every 25 minutes, if the OS1 sensor is open, that will override the OSC command, so it won't run at all.

To achieve what you're proposing, it's going to require a couple of virtual outputs. One will monitor the OS1 status, and the other will act as a 4 second timer:

[OS1_Control] -- virtual output
Set OFF
If OS1 CLOSED Then ON
If Output OS1_Limit = ON Then OFF
Min Time 015:00 Then OFF

[OS1_Limit] -- virtual output
Set OFF
If OS1 CLOSED Then ON
Defer 000:04 Then ON

[Clarisea]
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/000:04/025:00 Then ON
If Output OS1_Control = ON Then ON
Min Time 015:00 Then OFF

With this code, OSC will continue to turn on for 4 seconds every 25 minutes. At any time during that cycle, if OS1 is closed, it will turn on for 4 seconds, but at most every 15 minutes.

If you're not familiar with virtual outputs, see my tutorial here:

Neptune Apex Programming Tutorials, Part 5: Virtual Outputs

Part 5 of our Apex Programming Tutorials. This one is on Virtual Outputs.

www.reef2reef.com

Hey Suncrest,

whats the osc code to turn mine on for 5 sec every hour and have it be the same time everyday?

here is what i came up with. Hows this look? I want to be able to predict when it spins.

 

[SuncrestReef]

Hey Suncrest,

whats the osc code to turn mine on for 5 sec every hour and have it be the same time everyday?

here is what i came up with. Hows this look? I want to be able to predict when it spins.

Your OSC code will turn it on for 5 seconds at the top of the hour, 24 hours per day:

00:00 - 00:05
01:00 - 01:05
02:00 - 02:05, etc.

 

[infinite0180]

Your OSC code will turn it on for 5 seconds at the top of the hour, 24 hours per day:

00:00 - 00:05
01:00 - 01:05
02:00 - 02:05, etc.

Fantastic. Quick question for you. Based on previous observation, running the Klir default controller, the filter spun way less from midnight till my lights came on. Fish are sleeping and not much is being stirred up into the water. Is there a way to utilize two different OSC commands for different times of day. Say once every two hours when lights are off and once every hour when on, or something to that effect...

 

[SuncrestReef]

Fantastic. Quick question for you. Based on previous observation, running the Klir default controller, the filter spun way less from midnight till my lights came on. Fish are sleeping and not much is being stirred up into the water. Is there a way to utilize two different OSC commands for different times of day. Say once every two hours when lights are off and once every hour when on, or something to that effect...

You'd need to use virtual outputs for each OSC and disable the OSC using If Time commands, then on the physical output have it turn on and off based on the virtual outputs:

[Day_OSC]
OSC 000:00/000:05/059:55 Then ON (every hour)
If Time 18:01 to 07:00 Then OFF

[Night_OSC]
OSC 000:00/000:05/119:55 Then ON (every two hours)
If Time 07:01 to 18:00 Then OFF

[Klir]
Fallback OFF
Set OFF
If Output Day_OSC = ON Then ON
If Output Night_OSC = ON Then ON
If Output ReturnPump = OFF Then OFF

Just adjust the times on the Day_OSC and Night_OSC to match your lighting schedule.

 

[infinite0180]

You'd need to use virtual outputs for each OSC and disable the OSC using If Time commands, then on the physical output have it turn on and off based on the virtual outputs:

[Day_OSC]
OSC 000:00/000:05/059:55 Then ON (every hour)
If Time 18:01 to 07:00 Then OFF

[Night_OSC]
OSC 000:00/000:05/119:55 Then ON (every two hours)
If Time 07:01 to 18:00 Then OFF

[Klir]
Fallback OFF
Set OFF
If Output Day_OSC = ON Then ON
If Output Night_OSC = ON Then ON
If Output ReturnPump = OFF Then OFF

Just adjust the times on the Day_OSC and Night_OSC to match your lighting schedule.

Awesome! Thank you soo much!

 

[infinite0180]

You'd need to use virtual outputs for each OSC and disable the OSC using If Time commands, then on the physical output have it turn on and off based on the virtual outputs:

[Day_OSC]
OSC 000:00/000:05/059:55 Then ON (every hour)
If Time 18:01 to 07:00 Then OFF

[Night_OSC]
OSC 000:00/000:05/119:55 Then ON (every two hours)
If Time 07:01 to 18:00 Then OFF

[Klir]
Fallback OFF
Set OFF
If Output Day_OSC = ON Then ON
If Output Night_OSC = ON Then ON
If Output ReturnPump = OFF Then OFF

Just adjust the times on the Day_OSC and Night_OSC to match your lighting schedule.

One more, i promise!
Best way to use a feed button to turn it for 5 sec...

 

[infinite0180]

There are two problems with your code:

1. If the OS1 sensor is closed and that turns on the Clarisea, there's no guarantee it will only run for 4 seconds. The motor will run for however long it takes until OS1 is open, then it will run for the additional 4 seconds from the Defer timer.

2. When the OSC tries to turn it on for 4 seconds every 25 minutes, if the OS1 sensor is open, that will override the OSC command, so it won't run at all.

To achieve what you're proposing, it's going to require a couple of virtual outputs. One will monitor the OS1 status, and the other will act as a 4 second timer:

[OS1_Control] -- virtual output
Set OFF
If OS1 CLOSED Then ON
If Output OS1_Limit = ON Then OFF
Min Time 015:00 Then OFF

[OS1_Limit] -- virtual output
Set OFF
If OS1 CLOSED Then ON
Defer 000:04 Then ON

[Clarisea]
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/000:04/025:00 Then ON
If Output OS1_Control = ON Then ON
Min Time 015:00 Then OFF

With this code, OSC will continue to turn on for 4 seconds every 25 minutes. At any time during that cycle, if OS1 is closed, it will turn on for 4 seconds, but at most every 15 minutes.

If you're not familiar with virtual outputs, see my tutorial here:

Neptune Apex Programming Tutorials, Part 5: Virtual Outputs

Part 5 of our Apex Programming Tutorials. This one is on Virtual Outputs.

www.reef2reef.com

Suncrest,

i just installed a float switch and implemented this coding as well. My only issue is that everytime the float is tripped it does not keep the outlet on. Instead, as soon as the float trips the water level begins to fall and instead of it running the 4 sec i want it to it shuts right off. If i lift the float and keep it suspended then it works correctly, but in real world scenario, atleast in my sump, it short cycles the motor and only spins for a sec. i really want to keep that motor turning for 4 sec everytime the float lifts, is that possible?

 

[SuncrestReef]

Suncrest,

i just installed a float switch and implemented this coding as well. My only issue is that everytime the float is tripped it does not keep the outlet on. Instead, as soon as the float trips the water level begins to fall and instead of it running the 4 sec i want it to it shuts right off. If i lift the float and keep it suspended then it works correctly, but in real world scenario, atleast in my sump, it short cycles the motor and only spins for a sec. i really want to keep that motor turning for 4 sec everytime the float lifts, is that possible?

Please post the programming for the Clarisea and any additional virtual outputs you are using. Be sure to include the output names before each list of program code.

 

[infinite0180]

Please post the programming for the Clarisea and any additional virtual outputs you are using. Be sure to include the output names before each list of program code.

Sorry, here you go:

[KlirControl] -- VO
Set OFF
If S_KLIR CLOSED Then ON
If Output KlirLimit = ON Then OFF
Min Time 001:00 Then OFF

[KlirLimit] -- VO
Set OFF
If S_KLIR CLOSED Then ON
Defer 000:04 Then ON

[Klir]
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/000:04/239:56 Then ON
If Output KlirControl = ON Then ON
Min Time 001:00 Then OFF
If Output ReturnPump = OFF Then OFF

 

[infinite0180]

@SuncrestReef do i just need another min time statement somewhere in there?

 

[SuncrestReef]

@SuncrestReef do i just need another min time statement somewhere in there?

The original code I wrote for this was meant to prevent the Clarisea from running longer than 4 seconds at a time, but never accounted for the sensor closing before 4 seconds had elapsed and turning it off prematurely. To do that, modify the code to add another 4 second Min Time delay:

[KlirControl] -- VO
Set OFF
If S_KLIR CLOSED Then ON
If Output KlirLimit = ON Then OFF
Min Time 001:00 Then OFF

[KlirLimit] -- VO
Set OFF
If S_KLIR CLOSED Then ON
Defer 000:04 Then ON

[Klir]
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/000:04/239:56 Then ON
If Output KlirControl = ON Then ON
Min Time 000:04 Then ON
Min Time 001:00 Then OFF
If Output ReturnPump = OFF Then OFF

 

[infinite0180]

The original code I wrote for this was meant to prevent the Clarisea from running longer than 4 seconds at a time, but never accounted for the sensor closing before 4 seconds had elapsed and turning it off prematurely. To do that, modify the code to add another 4 second Min Time delay:

[KlirControl] -- VO
Set OFF
If S_KLIR CLOSED Then ON
If Output KlirLimit = ON Then OFF
Min Time 001:00 Then OFF

[KlirLimit] -- VO
Set OFF
If S_KLIR CLOSED Then ON
Defer 000:04 Then ON

[Klir]
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/000:04/239:56 Then ON
If Output KlirControl = ON Then ON
Min Time 000:04 Then ON
Min Time 001:00 Then OFF
If Output ReturnPump = OFF Then OFF

Fantastic! Thank you soo much.

 

[David Cher]

any picture of it ?

 

[Sandersonville]

Would love to see manufactures like Clarisea work with Neptune to offer supported out of the box integrations like this!

 

[infinite0180]

any picture of it ?

Of how i wired up the Klir motor?

 

[infinite0180]

The original code I wrote for this was meant to prevent the Clarisea from running longer than 4 seconds at a time, but never accounted for the sensor closing before 4 seconds had elapsed and turning it off prematurely. To do that, modify the code to add another 4 second Min Time delay:

[KlirControl] -- VO
Set OFF
If S_KLIR CLOSED Then ON
If Output KlirLimit = ON Then OFF
Min Time 001:00 Then OFF

[KlirLimit] -- VO
Set OFF
If S_KLIR CLOSED Then ON
Defer 000:04 Then ON

[Klir]
Fallback OFF
OSC 000:00/000:04/239:56 Then ON
If Output KlirControl = ON Then ON
Min Time 000:04 Then ON
Min Time 001:00 Then OFF
If Output ReturnPump = OFF Then OFF

@SuncrestReef

is the min time off statement necessary in both
Klir and Klircontrol? I recently changed the timing on both of those statements to 15 minutes. Today i had a strange situation where the osc function spun the motor but for some reason within 15 min the float tripped and the klirlimit switched on and stayed on but because the float remained up it never shut off and therefor did not roll again. I think it might have had something to do with the defer timing so i increased that. Im also going to change the min time to 5 minutes but want to clean it up if i dont need it in both...