Chloroquine phosphate

[TheRealDmorty217]

@TheRealDmorty217 I've tried CP on 3 different Hippos now (at different times) and they all died. Same MO: They refuse to eat, hide and then die after about a week. Same thing that has happened with all Sixline and Melanurus wrasses I've tried CP on (but flasher/fairy do fine.) I can't explain it, as all other tangs I've used CP on seem do well in it. Of course, Hippos are their own unique genus of tang so that's how I rationalize it. Similarly, I suspect (but cannot confirm) that all Halichoeres & Pseudocheilinus genus of wrasses would not do well in CP.

If I were in your shoes and TTM is not an option, I would treat the Hippo with Coppersafe. They are generally pretty hardy, and I've not had any issues running Hippos through copper in the past.

I can do TTM but wanted to avoid more work for myself if possible. (If I get the yellow belly... Sounds like TTM is the only way to go) I have a 5 year old Melanarus that I have put thru CP now 4 different times without any negative effects (not sure if that's a fluke or not). I have coppersafe but I have never used copper before on fish... I have used cupramine but all I accomplished with that was giving the angel that was being treated Lymph that took 3 months to go away. Thank you for the info, still haven't decided if I'm going to get the yellow belly or not

 

[Humblefish]

I can do TTM but wanted to avoid more work for myself if possible. (If I get the yellow belly... Sounds like TTM is the only way to go) I have a 5 year old Melanarus that I have put thru CP now 4 different times without any negative effects (not sure if that's a fluke or not). I have coppersafe but I have never used copper before on fish... I have used cupramine but all I accomplished with that was giving the angel that was being treated Lymph that took 3 months to go away. Thank you for the info, still haven't decided if I'm going to get the yellow belly or not

Interesting about the mel, I may need to try another one with CP. I tried two sixlines, lost both of those, and then starting reading about how others have had problems with wrasses & CP. Tried one last time (sixline & melanurus) at a lower dosage (20mg/gal) and lost both of them. :mad: So, that was the last time I tried that. But to be fair, I only tried a mel wrasse that one time. Next mel wrasse I got was from a friend (who had ich), so I treated with Coppersafe and the mel handled that fine.

In the meantime a LFS I advise started using CP on flasher/fairy wrasses (unbeknownst to me), and had nothing but success. So I started testing it out on flasher/fairy wrasses only and had the same results. CP is a weird drug. I guess we won't know all the pros & cons until it gets tested out and it's use becomes more widespread (if that ever happens ).

 

[Greenstreet.1]

Just Pmed you Big Homie

 

[Humblefish]

Just Pmed you Big Homie

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[Greenstreet.1]

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Got it thank you.

 

[MCooper]

Humble, I remember reading reports of you and others not having much if any luck with hippos and CP, is this correct? Jordan @amongthereef has some Mauritius yellow belly hippos and I was planning on getting one sent with the Gem I am getting from him but the Gem is going straight into CP in the 40g breeder I have setup. I have coppersafe also but literally have NEVER used it and always use CP/prazipro to treat all new fish. (Some get NFG in the tank for the first few days after arrival too) can you confirm or deny that you have had any luck or not with CP and hippos or what you think the best course of action would be? I have 2-20g longs with appropriate equipment for TTM if need be but would prefer to not have to setup and break down tanks every 70 hrs. Thank you in advance!

How do you do the Prazipro and CP together? My QT tank just got seeded with a floss sponge from a LFS and some stability so once its ready I plan to do both Prazipro and CP on some fish I have my eye on.

 

[Humblefish]

How do you do the Prazipro and CP together? My QT tank just got seeded with a floss sponge from a LFS and some stability so once its ready I plan to do both Prazipro and CP on some fish I have my eye on.

You have to dose powder praziquantel without any solubilizing agent (like what is found in Prazipro). It will take longer to dissolve this way, but IME it is still effective for deworming. I buy mine in bulk from here, and I also add metronidazole to it. But API General Cure achieves the same mix without the hefty "buy in bulk" price tag: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16807

 

[MCooper]

You have to dose powder praziquantel without any solubilizing agent (like what is found in Prazipro). It will take longer to dissolve this way, but IME it is still effective for deworming. I buy mine in bulk from here, and I also add metronidazole to it. But API General Cure achieves the same mix without the hefty "buy in bulk" price tag: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16807

Thank you as always! Go figure i already bought the prazipro.

 

[billw]

You have to dose powder praziquantel without any solubilizing agent (like what is found in Prazipro). It will take longer to dissolve this way, but IME it is still effective for deworming. I buy mine in bulk from here, and I also add metronidazole to it. But API General Cure achieves the same mix without the hefty "buy in bulk" price tag: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16807

What is the shelflife for the API product?

 

[Humblefish]

Thank you as always! Go figure i already bought the prazipro.

You can still use it, just before or after CP treatment.

What is the shelflife for the API product?

I believe 3 years. I just looked at a box I bought sometime last year, and it expires Jan 2018.

 

[nanomania]

Hey, iv been posting on many blogs about treating new fish in QT before transfering them to DT. Many are suggesting to only treat the fishes if they have some diseases/parasites, as antibiotics and drugs are no good if the fishes are healthy and can cause more damage then prevention of disease. rest suggest to treat whether they have any disease/parasites or no. Many like me are very confused.

Also can we have a proper detailed list of fishes that should not be treated with CP?

 

[TheRealDmorty217]

Hey, iv been posting on many blogs about treating new fish in QT before transfering them to DT. Many are suggesting to only treat the fishes if they have some diseases/parasites, as antibiotics and drugs are no good if the fishes are healthy and can cause more damage then prevention of disease. rest suggest to treat whether they have any disease/parasites or no. Many like me are very confused.

Also can we have a proper detailed list of fishes that should not be treated with CP?

I use CP and PP on all fish regardless if they show signs of disease. Most all fish come in with ich or flukes or both. Hippo tangs by most accounts don't do well in CP. most all wrasse minus fairy and flasher wrasse don't take well to CP either. Pipefish and seahorses. I know there are some others but I can't remember them at the moment. Maybe someone else will add to the list.

 

[TheRealDmorty217]

You have to dose powder praziquantel without any solubilizing agent (like what is found in Prazipro). It will take longer to dissolve this way, but IME it is still effective for deworming. I buy mine in bulk from here, and I also add metronidazole to it. But API General Cure achieves the same mix without the hefty "buy in bulk" price tag: http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?pcatid=16807

What dosage of praziquantel do you use? I read that 3.125mg/L works well for external flukes, do you know what concentration works for integral worms and external flukes?

 

[billw]

Hey, iv been posting on many blogs about treating new fish in QT before transfering them to DT. Many are suggesting to only treat the fishes if they have some diseases/parasites, as antibiotics and drugs are no good if the fishes are healthy and can cause more damage then prevention of disease. rest suggest to treat whether they have any disease/parasites or no. Many like me are very confused.

Also can we have a proper detailed list of fishes that should not be treated with CP?

I'm sure that it's true that treating healthy fish is not a good thing. The problem is the average aquarist does not have the capability to absolutely assure that a fish is healthy. Without that capability, the only way to assure healthy fish is to prophylacticly treat each newcomer.

 

[Greenstreet.1]

I want to understand why you guys think that making sure a fish is healthy is a bad thing so can you explain this for me cause I treat all fish that come into my home

 

[nanomania]

Im not against nor with treating ever new fish. I guess some fishes like mandarins and seahorses/pipefish cant be treated in qt as the pods are missing.. also since mandarins dont get affected by ich or velvet, but they might carry right?

 

[Greenstreet.1]

I add algaebarn pods to my qt's

 

[Humblefish]

What dosage of praziquantel do you use? I read that 3.125mg/L works well for external flukes, do you know what concentration works for integral worms and external flukes?

I don't dose quite that high with prazi; only 2mg/L. This concentration works well for flukes, but I did notice sometimes intestinal worms would survive through it. So, instead of increasing the dosage for prazi I added metronidazole to the mix; 7mg/L. IME; metro does a better job of eliminating internal parasites, and I didn't want to risk increasing the prazi dosage because of wrasses.

 

[MCooper]

Can you use CP on inverts?

 

[donnievaz]

Can you use CP on inverts?

Absolutely not.