boxfish with ich

[laughing tang]

Interesting on the glass hydrometer, we will search for one. Supposedly the digital Milwaukee is one of the best.

Super frustrating. I suspect he will break out in full ich when we raise salinity, and then we'd still have to go copper if he makes it through those days with full blown ich, and after a total of near 69 days hypo (with first and starts due to refractometer issues). Reading the post on salinity now.

 

[laughing tang]

Which hydrometer do you use? I'm having trouble sifting through the cheep ones, I'm presuming the one we need is pricey.

After the water change (10 gallons out of 65), he's just hanging at the top. He's not doing the scratching type swimming. Normally he swims vivaciously around though so he is obviously not feeling well.

Could this be the effect of being in hypo too long?

 

[laughing tang]

We see this white spot on the side on his mouth.

Note checked earlier pictures and it seems this is just how his mouth is.

Well have to see how he does. He is eating right now.

 

[laughing tang]

He is not well. Still hanging in the same spot. He does eat. We don't know what to do. Should we raise salinity?

 

[laughing tang]

He is not well. Still hanging in the same spot. He does eat. We don't know what to do. Should we raise salinity?

He was doing better last night but is shimmying again this morning. He ignored his nori, which is unusual, he is usually waiting anxiously in the morning for me to add it. The nori we put in last night was still there. He did eat his rod's and bloodworms. Ammonia 0.06, nitrite 6 ppb this morning, pH 8.11, SG 1.009. Video this morning. We are doing a 10 gallon water change in the hope it helps. Could this be hyposalinity? You mentioned we could raise day 21 after the last ich spot disappeared, we are day 42 now. Or would that stress him even more?

 

[laughing tang]

He is actually much worse today. Rolling in his side to scratch, darting around, trying to scratch on the glass. There's another light patch on his skin. Could it possibly be flukes at 1.009?

 

[laughing tang]

When he actually jumped out of the tank yesterday afternoon, only prevented by the egg crate, we decided enough is enough and dosed prazi. The problem is now that he is in hypo, with prazi, the tank tends to gain ammonia quickly, and we can't dose Erase CL nor do water changes which is what we normally do to control ammonia. It seems prazi also throws ammonia readings off. Any help appreciated. I fear we are losing this battle.

 

[Tired]

You can generally do water changes on a tank with medication in it, as long as you make sure to dose meds into the new water before adding it.

You might try out the humble.fish forums if you aren't getting many replies on here. They're great with sick fish.

 

[laughing tang]

You can generally do water changes on a tank with medication in it, as long as you make sure to dose meds into the new water before adding it.

You might try out the humble.fish forums if you aren't getting many replies on here. They're great with sick fish.

Thanks for responding. It has been a vacuum but it was Sunday yesterday. It is my impression that with prazi you cannot do water changes until the 24 hrs are up because that is how long the prazi is active in the water. Water changes and redosing elongates the 24 hrs, effectively double dosing.

Sadly he is still headshaking this morning 16 hours after dosing prazi. video

 

[Rappa]

and do not use tank water to set up the quarantine system

Hi @vetteguy53081 . Just wondering why you avoid tank water when setting up the QT? When I originally set mine up way back when, it was an emergency situation. I used 50 gallons of tank water from my system, as if I was doing a water change on my display, but instead of going down the drain I used it for the QT tank. Reason being: I thought the cycled system water would be better than starting with zero bacteria. I knew their could be some ich floating in the tank water, but since Copper-Power was being added immediately, I figured that was the best way to go... Also, the fish were already accustomed to my water, so I thought the transition would be easier on the fish. Luckily it worked out, and I had minimal losses. I only used tank water for the initial setup, but is there a reason you advise against it? Thx!

 

[laughing tang]

Hi @vetteguy53081 . Just wondering why you avoid tank water when setting up the QT? When I originally set mine up way back when, it was an emergency situation. I used 50 gallons of tank water from my system, as if I was doing a water change on my display, but instead of going down the drain I used it for the QT tank. Reason being: I thought the cycled system water would be better than starting with zero bacteria. I knew their could be some ich floating in the tank water, but since Copper-Power was being added immediately, I figured that was the best way to go... Also, the fish were already accustomed to my water, so I thought the transition would be easier on the fish. Luckily it worked out, and I had minimal losses. I only used tank water for the initial setup, but is there a reason you advise against it? Thx!

I think you're on the wrong post. I am trying to get help for my fish, please start your own thread.

 

[laughing tang]

Update, in case anyone does bother to read this. We are 36 hrs in on prazi. The boxfish is no longer twitching; it was very bad 5 hours in with darting, dashing, trying to jump out; reduced yesterday during the day, still some twitching last night but none this morning. He did eat yesterday.

We worry now about ammonia. The seachem badges are still yellow but the Hanna test showed 0.51 ppm total ammonia and 10 ppb nitrite last night; 0.66 ppm ammonia and 19 ppb nitrite this morning. When can we do a water change and when can we resume ammonia binders?

 

[Saltwater Depot]

if you are able to do

Update, in case anyone does bother to read this. We are 36 hrs in on prazi. The boxfish is no longer twitching; it was very bad 5 hours in with darting, dashing, trying to jump out; reduced yesterday during the day, still some twitching last night but none this morning. He did eat yesterday.

We worry now about ammonia. The seachem badges are still yellow but the Hanna test showed 0.51 ppm total ammonia and 10 ppb nitrite last night; 0.66 ppm ammonia and 19 ppb nitrite this morning. When can we do a water change and when can we resume ammonia binders?

if you are able to do a water change that is better. The mixing agent in prazi strips O2 from the water and the ammonia binder has tendency to do the same.... can become a sticky situation

 

[laughing tang]

Thanks. Yeah we'll do the water change. The lights just turned on and he's twitching again every few seconds. It's less than before we started prazipro. Not sure where to go from here.

 

[laughing tang]

My husband believe he saw 2 tiny worms on his back, very hard to see (I could not see them but my eye sight is not good at close range). He described them as like a hair, straight up and then curled and white. A google search did not show anything similar for me, does it ring any bells for anyone? He is still twitching as if he's trying to shake something off, every few seconds pretty much since the light came on. Is it possible the light coming on made the worms move and irritate him more? He seemed much better when the light was off.

I did also find a local aquatic vet and left a message there. Any thoughts appreciated.

 

[Tired]

I would really like to once again recommend the humble.fish forums, as there are a couple of people very active on there who know pretty much all there is to know about fish disease treatment.

 

[laughing tang]

I would really like to once again recommend the humble.fish forums, as there are a couple of people very active on there who know pretty much all there is to know about fish disease treatment.

Thank you, I did do that, but they were at a loss as well. We had an aquatic vet come out yesterday (what a luxury that we have one in the area!). The scrape was negative for parasites or bacteria. She suspects ammonia and overdosing of ammonia binders. So our job now is massive water changes to get the ammonia down, and also to slowly raise him out of hyposalinity. Also the light turning on appeared to make him worse with more twitching and so she recommended having the light sunup/sundown slowly to avoid "dazzle". He is still headshaking and twitching but not nearly what he was doing Saturday afternoon. I will post here if we come to a resolution. Thank you again for your reply, much appreciated.