Bottled Bacteria, AquaBiomics. Just what's in your bottles

[Solo McReefer]

I don't want Pohl's team sending German ninjas to my house at 3am

"Is it safe?"

 

[Solo McReefer]

I wonder if the enzymes in MB7 are the same ones used in laundry detergents.

I don't think there are enzymes in Microbacter7

The bacteria would have them, of course

Should be called MicroBacter3. Three species of non pathogenic, normally soil, and spore forming bacillus

That are used in pharmaceutical, waste management, and other industries

Pretty sure, B subtilis makes the active ingredient in Neosporin. Please correct me, if I'm wrong here

 

[Dan_P]

Pretty sure, B subtilis makes the active ingredient in Neosporin. Please correct me, if I'm wrong here

Actually, the contents are

Bacitracin Zinc (400 units)	First aid antibiotic
Neomycin Sulfate (3.5 mg)	First aid antibiotic
Polymyxin B sulfate (5,000 units)	First aid antibiotic

 

[Solo McReefer]

Insert Acktually Meme Here

 

[Solo McReefer]

Actually, the contents are

Do you know how protamine was discovered?

That's one of my favorite origin stories

Sure funnier than moldy bread

 

[telegraham]

I'm interested in hearing how they identify good strains vs bad. It's not rhetorical, but I also do not have the time to chase down and debate things that should be stated up front by anyone making such claims. I'd certainly read it if it was in a concise place to read, as opposed to watching videos looking for nuggets of info.

Except for suspected pathogens and bacteria associated with BJD, I don't see Aquabiomics addressing good or bad bacteria on their web site..

I find it so interesting that you have time to share here, yet no time to seek answers where answers can be found. Smells like words for the sake of words.

Because I'm handy with copy/paste, I've shared your thoughts with those who can actually help.

 

[telegraham]

What does this even mean? Is Pseudomonas a important strain to be dominant in our tanks? If so, why? For what reason ? Is it just important for basic nitrification for just fish (subject has been beaten to death and revived every year with the same outcome) ? What about for coral? Which strains are important to have? Whats the baseline for those with long term successful tanks. Until people become educated with all these strains and their effects as long as well as methods on how to make corrections. I don't see how knowing any of this can be useful. I'm extremely interested in being more educated on the subject but it is difficult to get past a million people chiming in with some ammonia riff raff when the word bacteria is mentioned.

The point of the share is to indicate that it's possible that BioDigest is sourced differently than other bottled juices. It's an outlier.

Why are you asking questions where they can't be answered?

 

[Solo McReefer]

It's not bottled either

Explains the ampula container

 

[Doctorgori]

"Is it safe?"

what ever it is, I saw that movie .., it’s about **** hunters or sumthin
Doesn’t he dental torture somebody? pardon me

 

[GlassMunky]

I find it so interesting that you have time to share here, yet no time to seek answers where answers can be found. Smells like words for the sake of words.

Because I'm handy with copy/paste, I've shared your thoughts with those who can actually help.

Ive also noticed this as well. Hes able to respond to threads here on this forum all day every day yet cant be bothered to google something that takes 5 minutes.
Seems like theres almost some contempt for these people and like hes better than them because he reads stuff and they make videos.....
Its almost like he doesnt actually want to engage and the "i dont watch videos, i only read real science articles" is his way of saying that exact thing.....

 

[Dom]

there is soooo much room for snake oil sales in this segment…

Snake oil... that is a good way to describe it.

 

[Doctorgori]

Also that I'm finding this hobby strange in that we are so focused on proving labels right or wrong.

I get it but that Vibrant thread was both useful and entertaining … besides I can admit to being a sucker for at least a few G’s of fish gear , so I shamelessly participate in every torch and pitchfork vendor roast I can find

I tried to get others that were suffering from torch coral loss to try the PNS bacteria or crt concoction but ultimately evertime they seemed to just jump right into the antibiotics train because of social media.

Take it with a grain of salt.

which is exactly what I’m doing now, you mind if I pm you so as not to detour this thread? but I’m loosing euphillia by the hundreds of dollars

But the complication that is beyond their reach is that conditions act as triggers for otherwise harmless vibrio hanging out in the coral community to turn on lots of pathogenic traits and become virulent.

Like when temps go above 78F … I kept seahorses and that seemed to be vibrios magic number (in combo with marginal water quality)

In the particular case of arcobacter, we actually have protocols with cipro and oxalinic acid that seem capable of eliminating arcobacter, while leaving the rest of the community testing as basically normal.

Hope you don’t mind a pm, I could use references and links as I have recently obtained both meds and could use some wisdom

pardon me

 

[taricha]

I thought this was interesting, just as some context for hobbyists, on how bacteria are selected and sourced.

I'm not singling this out for criticism - I'm pointing it out because I think people have a picture that each company is culturing their own stuff.
And this is far likelier to be the situation.
(exceptions for the Phyto-like PNS, it's cultured and they tell you how you can culture it yourself. @telegraham would point out that the downside here is that PNS is far from pure culture.)


Transcript of a couple of minutes...


Q: does does any of your bacteria contain the uh rhodopseudomonas
A: Not to my knowledge
31:04
Q: okay and then um Andy's wondering do your products contain Marine bacteria?
31:13
A: no... they're not they're not Marine specific they're kind of I believe I would I would term them euryhaline they can handle salinity up to well over 40 parts per thousand and much much lower than that and most people are not going to be unless they're doing a Red Sea biotope. They're not keeping their salinity at 40 or 42 or something like this they're going to be keeping it more in the 34 to 36 range. The bacteria are totally capable of handling anything from 40 on down to very low salinity.

Q: can you share the bacteria that are in your products or is it...
A: no
31:56
Q: so the next follow-up question is going to be um how do you pick those bacteria
32:03
A: I don't do it by myself I don't try to reinvent the wheel I speak with a number of of authorities in the world of dealing with bacteria and especially in aquaculture because aquaculture systems tend to be like cesspools uh they are very bacterial rich. Unless you're running a really aggressive Turf scrubber type of a of a setup uh you have massive amounts of bacteria that's been studied and studied and studied and studied and so you speak with people who know more than you do. That's the answer to that question.

Q: and and the reason why you don't um reveal the types of bacteria or we see other companies reveal types of bacterias it's proprietary right?
32:50
A: absolutely yeah there's a lot that that I'm really transparent about but stuff like that that that is what I would consider a trade secret and that's not something that I'm willing to share.

 

[Doctorgori]

absolutely yeah there's a lot that that I'm really transparent about but stuff like that that that is what I would consider a trade secret and that's not something that I'm willing to share.

that’s what they all say

 

[AquaBiomics]

Ive also noticed this as well. Hes able to respond to threads here on this forum all day every day yet cant be bothered to google something that takes 5 minutes.
Seems like theres almost some contempt for these people and like hes better than them because he reads stuff and they make videos.....
Its almost like he doesnt actually want to engage and the "i dont watch videos, i only read real science articles" is his way of saying that exact thing.....

You have it exactly right.

One might wonder why a trained chemist would spend so little time reading the scientific literature to answer his questions, and instead complains on a forum.

 

[BeanAnimal]

I am not going to wade into the fray/barbs toward Randy other than saying that I do 100% identify with not watching videos for stuff like this. I absolutely loathe the format, fluff, endless and mindless bloviation, ad role, pandering for likes and subscribes, time wasting intro sequences, etc. It is not that there is anything wrong with it and most people appear to like consuming content like that. However, it is just not for me. Short concise and informative videos are fine, but for technical stuff I like to read.

 

[Garf]

I find it so interesting that you have time to share here, yet no time to seek answers where answers can be found. Smells like words for the sake of words.

Because I'm handy with copy/paste, I've shared your thoughts with those who can actually help.

Ive also noticed this as well. Hes able to respond to threads here on this forum all day every day yet cant be bothered to google something that takes 5 minutes.
Seems like theres almost some contempt for these people and like hes better than them because he reads stuff and they make videos.....
Its almost like he doesnt actually want to engage and the "i dont watch videos, i only read real science articles" is his way of saying that exact thing.....

You have it exactly right.

One might wonder why a trained chemist would spend so little time reading the scientific literature to answer his questions, and instead complains on a forum.

So, is there Googleable information on good Vs bad? I don't mean just stopping at the first search that suits ones own thoughts, I mean real info. It's been a long time admittedly, but when looking for interactions between algal exudates and bacteria, there were so many contradictions, so little aragocrete information. You could just post a link that us simple folk could biodigest, if you don't mind.

 

[AquaBiomics]

So, is there Googleable information on good Vs bad? I don't mean just stopping at the first search that suits ones own thoughts, I mean real info. It's been a long time admittedly, but when looking for interactions between algal exudates and bacteria, there were so many contradictions, so little aragocrete information. You could just post a link that us simple folk could biodigest, if you don't mind.

I mean no offense at all, because it wasnt your phrasing originally anyway. But this distinction "good vs bad" is oversimplified to the point of being misleading. There is not a scientific study that identitifies "good" versus "bad" bacteria.

I reject the framing, as would any microbiologist.

We can identify bacteria that have specific activities. The client may consider some of those activities useful or desirable.

We can identify bacteria that are known to be pathogens, or otherwise associated with disease. Most clients would find this to be "bad". I recently analyzed some bacterial cultures for a biologist colleague; he was thrilled to find that some of them were known coral pathogens. Good or bad is in the eye of the beholder.

I don't mean to dodge the question, but I'm not aware of a good, digestable overview of all marine microbes and their functions. Its just too big a question to be answered in even a book. I suggest that if we want to really ask and answer questions like this, they need to be a lot more specific.

e.g. What benefits might the Pelagibacteraceae have for our reef tanks? What kinds of microbes are oxidizing nitrite in our tanks? etc. If the question is phrased at the level of specific families or functions, its answerable.

 

[Garf]

One might wonder why a trained chemist would spend so little time reading the scientific literature to answer his questions, and instead complains on a forum.

Its just too big a question to be answered in even a book

Now I'm confused, lol.

 

[Dom]

I am not going to wade into the fray/barbs toward Randy other than saying that I do 100% identify with not watching videos for stuff like this. I absolutely loathe the format, fluff, endless and mindless bloviation, ad role, pandering for likes and subscribes, time wasting intro sequences, etc. It is not that there is anything wrong with it and most people appear to like consuming content like that. However, it is just not for me. Short concise and informative videos are fine, but for technical stuff I like to read.

Yes; I am 100% on board with this.

Between advertisements, fancy video effects and a general motivation to generate likes, I find video to be a waste of time.

Just cut to the chase and give me the information I need, nothing more, thank you.